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Blaxicanlatino 11-04-2009 09:58 PM

Free Gold fish and Tank!!! with a cost...
 
umm i have a friend who has 10 gallon tank and a large goldfish and guppy! he said he cant care for the tank anymore and is giving everything to me. I know goldfish are cold water with a high bioload and will need alot more compared to a small 10 gallon tank, but does anyone know anyhting about caring for goldfish? i havent exactly seen the fish yet, i havent picked it up yet but...yeah... lol im sure theres different kinda so as soon as i get it i will take pics.

thanks a bunch :)

Lupin 11-04-2009 10:13 PM

I'll just paste here the important excerpts from my main article.:wink:

Considering goldfish themselves do not stay small (which is why fishbowls are impractical nowadays) at 8 to 24 inches range, a general guideline for fancy types should be at least fifteen gallons per fish whereas pond types need at least twenty gallons per fish. Previous debates have been offered that the fancy types need a minimum of at least ten gallons per fish. While this point of argument does prove itself feasible, giving more allowance for space would be a much better option for the goldfish.

The above paragraph does not mean you can freely utilize the spare fifteen and twenty gallon tanks for goldfish. Those tanks are still very limited and you cannot keep goldfish in isolation as these are sociable by nature and unlikely to thrive for a long time if deprived of their company. With the number of goldfish suggested at three as the possible minimum, a 55g would be a best starting point for fancy goldfish whereas 75g would be the minimum for at least two to three pond types.

As the goldfish has been bred for decades, many strains have been formed as a result of selective breeding. This in itself complicates matters further as the different body formation of the fish also requires a few perks in how you attempt to accommodate them to avoid any future issues that will prove detrimental to their health.

For instance, bubble eyes are famous for their large bulbous eye sacs that dangle below their eyes. The eye sacs are quite delicate and easily punctured hence you have to avoid sharp edged decorations if you want to keep their eye sacs intact. Although the eye sacs will normally heal themselves, the injured sac will usually look very different than the previous. A lot of round bodied types are prone to buoyancy problems due to the compressed organs brought about by their distended abdomen. There are many causes to buoyancy disorders which we can cover later on as we go further into this.

Fancy Types
Doubletail with dorsal fins
Black Moor/Demekin/Telescope/Globe Eye
Ryukin
Fantail
Oranda
Tikus Pearlscale
Crown Pearlscale
Pompoms
Tosakin

Doubletail without dorsal fins
Lionhead
Ranchu
Lionchu
Eggfish
Celestial
Bubble Eyes

Pond Types
Singletail with streamlined body
Shubunkin
Comet
Common Goldfish/Hibuna
Jyokko

Singletail with rounded body
Tamasaba

Doubletail
Wakin
Watonai
Jikin

Food is one of the factors that are overlooked greatly by several enthusiasts. Never forget the saying, “you are what you eat”. Goldfish obviously need proper nutrition if they must be kept for a long time. I have noticed petstores in general sell cheap fishfoods which do not have the proper ingredients and nutritional value without influencing the body functions of the fish adversely. A lot of people buy them without bothering to ask whether that particular product is even suitable for tropical fish or coldwater fish. To them, as long as it fits their budget, it is okay but what if that particular brand becomes the culprit of digestive upsets and buoyancy problems suffered by the fish as a result of ignorance?

Floating Foods in Correlation to Buoyancy Issues
I had been questioning for some time what exactly causes buoyancy problems. This had been a mystery to me because I found myself hounded by this question every time someone asks me how his fish got buoyancy problems. Many people alleged floating foods are the main cause. I chose to believe this in spite of myself feeding my own fancy goldfish floating pellets. After conducting several researches, I found that some goldfish tend to become “floaty” when they are fed with pellets regardless of whether it is floating or sinking although some alleged their fish gets “floaty” with floating pellets and this was remedied only by using sinking pellets or gel foods.

Flakes
In many cases, flake foods have been avoided by goldfish enthusiasts for two main reasons: a. floating, and b. vitamins cannot be retained in them. Both points are valid.

When flakes float, the fish tends to ingest air in the process thus when it becomes trapped in the GI tract, it can cause buoyancy issues to the fish in question. Flakes also contain air itself and can expand quickly. As quickly as the fish would eat, the flakes expand themselves inside the digestive system of the fish thus making the fish prone to bloat or constipation.

Unlike pellets, flakes cannot retain the vitamins that they have been injected with due to high surface area and exposure to air and light which destroy the vitamins in the process. Aside from that, vitamins are water soluble and can easily be leached out of the water. As vitamins are best obtained by ingestion, the fish may be unable to utilize all the needed vitamins if they leach out of the food.

Starchy Foods
Although this theory in the first paragraph for floating foods does have a valid point, I believe we should all look into the ingredients used. Considering some fish get unusually “floaty” with either floating or sinking pellets, it could be the ingredients that are easily the culprit yet overlooked.

So what makes the ingredients of the food the possible culprit? Several food analysts who studied the ingredients and guaranteed analysis of particular brands suggested that the starch-based foods are the culprit. A lot of food products contain starch. It is added in the food to weigh in the protein content needed by the young fish. While it does weigh in to the protein content, it contains very little nutritional value thus making it worthless for use despite the claims that it helps with fish growth due to the alleged high protein content. Even though goldfish do not have stomach and digestive enzymes needed to digest the food well, they have bacteria in their digestive system that help digest the foods and at the same time, producing gas as they digest the starch particularly soybean meal and yeast which when trapped, will cause the fish to lose its buoyancy partially or completely.

Unfortunately almost all food products contain starch or grain-based ingredients such as soybean meal, yeast, wheat flour, wheaten gluten meal, brewer’s dried yeast, soy protein concentrate, rolled oats, etc. The only way to choose your food products is make sure the wheat ingredients do not make up most of the top ingredients (preferably the first five) as the arrangement of the ingredients indicate chronological order of the ingredient portions taking up the food most to the least. If possible, stick to brands where fish meal and krill meal take up the top places followed by a few grain-based ingredients (although I would still minimize the amount of starch involved as much as possible).

Sugary Foods
Sugary foods are not necessarily bad. Most plant matter contains carbohydrates in the complex form. In fact, goldfish do convert carbohydrates into fat deposits and many of the heavier bodied varieties would not develop properly without the appropriate amount of complex carbs in their diets.

The problem comes with simple carbs. Simple carbs are smaller molecules, digest easily and therefore are easily converted to fats. Too much fats causes health problems in fish, reptiles, dogs, cats, just like in people. Heart disease, obesity, fatty deposits on the liver and other organs, hypertension, are all potential dangers of over ingesting simple
carbohydrates. So, while it is important for goldfish to have carbs in their diet, it is also important that they receive them from a plant matter source that is high in fiber to balance over all health.

Most vegetables, in their raw state, contain complex carbohydrates only. It is not until after they are cooked that the sugars convert.

Frozen Foods
As far as frozen foods are concerned, there is also a danger of a Vitamin B and thiamine deficiency, as freezing depletes those levels. That is why it is also important to use a multivitamin such as Centrum in prepared diets.

Blaxicanlatino 11-04-2009 10:18 PM

wow thanks alot! i was hoping for something like this. I will post a pic as soon as i can so yall can help me ID the fish

Blaxicanlatino 11-06-2009 05:32 PM

i dont even have a stand...or materials to care for another tank...
anyone want it? i dont know ANYTHING about sending stuff like mailing.

Blaxicanlatino 11-09-2009 07:38 PM

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i finally got them!! there huge!!! all i have is a 10 gallon tank!!! theres 3 of them!!! there about 4 inches min each! here the pics. can someone please help me ID these fish?

Blaxicanlatino 11-09-2009 09:05 PM

i realize those pics are horrible lol. so i posted a vid on youtube of them.
YouTube - NEW FISH
thats me talking in the vid

Lupin 11-10-2009 05:25 AM

One is a ryukin. The two with wen growth are orandas however one of your orandas look like it has "eye rings" or fluid buildup around its eyes indicating your goldfish were kept under very poor water conditions by your friend otherwise your oranda would not have that issue. Injuries may likely cause this issue as well.

Where are you located?

Romad 11-10-2009 06:14 AM

Poor fish. Any way you can snag a (much) larger tank on CL??

Blaxicanlatino 11-10-2009 08:19 AM

i cant get bigger tank because im broke! My friend had to get rid of the fish and Im way more experienced then he is. The tank isnt even cycled! so i know i need to rid these little guys soon! If not then my Local LFS might be the best option for them.

Im in Dallas

Lupin 11-10-2009 05:44 PM

Try posting your goldfish in thegab.org. See if some folks are willing to take them. I am a regular member there with same username.


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