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woody 11-01-2009 08:09 PM

1 or 2 oscars
 
hi im new.... nice two meet you8)
iv hade blkmoor gold fish for a few years now. recently i wanted to get 2 oscar's. at the moment i got one 1inch oscar in a 25 gal but plan on getting a 55 for him "them" but the more reserch i do, i find a 55 might be to small for one let alone 2.
you see the space i have i too small for a huge 500gal tank in my apartment. (not to mention the cost)

what do you gyes think? can i put 2 oscars in a 55 or should i stop at one?

MoneyMitch 11-01-2009 09:10 PM

should stop at 0. your going to need to rehome him in about a yr, best to get rid of him now as i find it easyier to get rid of small fish than big fish.

woody 11-01-2009 09:33 PM

so what your saying is 55 is two small for one.
so what is the smallst tank i have to get

Mikaila31 11-01-2009 09:49 PM

A 75 gal. would be better. IMO a 55gal would work fine for 1 oscar, but you won't be able to stock much else in there and you would need heavy filtration. A canister filter for sure, something like the rena XP3, it needs to be rated higher than the tank(55gal).

woody 11-01-2009 10:05 PM

so with a 75gal i could put a lesser filter on... i mean $200 for a filter is a bit high:shock:
the other thing is i was hoping to get a pleco but now im wondering.

Rohland 11-01-2009 10:08 PM

no plecos make a big mess. If it was a 55 gal, 55 gal is the minimum for one oscar by itself. Also you will need heavier filtration since oscars are messy fish. It doesnt matter if you get the 75 for filtration purposes. Once you get to bigger tanks 55+ gallons. Filtration is always expensive. And for the 75, you would still need to run a filter capable for a 75 gal tank.

edit: also a gravel vacuum and an algae scrubber, and not overfeeding will require the need to have a pleco. It would probably get really big and you would need to get rid of it also. Plecos need food, they dont eat poop as some other people think.

woody 11-01-2009 10:29 PM

so i couldnt get away with 2 aquaclear 110
one more thing whats the min take size for 2 oscars

woody 11-01-2009 10:53 PM

hold on a min im looking at rena XP3. and the one im looking at is for a 175gal. that about a 120 gal more than i need. so ether that fish is rrreeeeeaaaalllllllllllyyyyyy dirty, thay make a smaller rena XP3, or my math is really off

Mikaila31 11-01-2009 11:11 PM

I wouldn't go for the HOBs they don't big tanks. IMO anything above a 55gal needs a canister for decent stocking levels. For one oscar in a 75gal, you would still need a canister that is rated at least for 75gal if not more. It just doesn't need to be as over filtered as the 55gal. 55gal would work if you filter x1.5-2=filter rated for 80-110gal. 75gal would work if you filter x1-1.5= filter rated for 75gal-110gal. This is because of the bioload.

You could get away with 2 oscars in a 75gal, but again you couldn't stock much else. And again you would need to really up the filtration= a filter rated for 110-150gal. Preferably two smaller canisters instead of one big one.

For 2 oscars a common pleco and maybe a few other fish you would be looking at a 125gal. At this tank size mutiple canisters become too expensive, IMO you should go w/ a sump filter. You could also go with this option on the 55 & 75 it may be cheaper. Sump filter are usually DIY they take some work and take up quite a bit of space.

Mikaila31 11-01-2009 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by woody (Post 267433)
hold on a min im looking at rena XP3. and the one im looking at is for a 175gal. that about a 120 gal more than i need. so ether that fish is rrreeeeeaaaalllllllllllyyyyyy dirty, thay make a smaller rena XP3, or my math is really off

They make smaller ones XP2 and XP1, the rena XP series IMO does not stand up to its ratings. I have the XP3 on a 55gal and it does not seem like a lot of overkill. The flow is set at about 60% of what it can do and that provides a good current around the whole tank. I stock heavily and wouldn't want any filter that does less. When looking at a filter you want to look for two things: 1) is that it provides proper circulation this can be determined by GPH(gallon per hour) 2) that it provides enough room for bacteria to grow. If you put the XP3 or a similar filter on a 100gal tank, it may filter the tank fine. But IMO you need more room/media for bacteria to grow. The filter is also going to need frequent cleaning. A XP3 could not filter a 175 despite what they say, at least not on its own.

But yes the fish you are looking at are large messy fish.


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