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Night Foxx 09-25-2009 10:54 PM

Hazy Water
I bought my new 29g (see other thread re: African Cichlids) and set it up a week ago. Everything looked good, water was crystal clear. I bought my fish last night, fed them once & then again this morning before I went to work. When I got home tonight, the water is a bit hazy. I only have 3 fish & they are no more than 1"... any thoughts on what all of a sudden it's now hazy?

Is this just a cycle and will clear on it's own? In hindsight I might have overfed them last night, but would that make the water hazy this long? Should I change 25 or perhaps 50% of the water?

Any thoughts/suggestions is more than appreciated.

sharky 09-26-2009 12:03 AM

the same thing happened to mine when i set it up but it went away after a few days

Night Foxx 09-26-2009 08:00 AM

I don't understand it... weird. The other thing, the water now smells too. It's not overwhelming, but there is a very noticeable difference.

mollies 09-26-2009 05:16 PM

It is a cycle fase it will go away. Just make sure your amonia dont get to high or you could have fatalites.

Twistersmom 09-26-2009 08:18 PM

Do you have a water test kit?
If not the API freshwater liquid test kit is a good one to have. When cycling a new tank it is very important to test daily. Ammonia and nitrite can spike quickly in a new tank. Try to keep both under .25 ppm, with water changes. Although cloudy water can be normal in the cycling stage, if you do not have a test kit handy, I would go ahead and do that 50% water change.

Also, the smell can be a sign of high ammonia.

Night Foxx 10-01-2009 07:59 AM

a bit of an update... the day after posting this thread my water cleared up & everything looked beautiful.

So I go to the fish store & buy another cichlid... I now have 4 (all 1") and a small red crab that I thought would help take care of the left over food. The guy also talked me into adding some salt to the tank as "cichlids need a little salt"? I know that is a debated topic that I won't dive into here..

But now my water is hazy again.. I'm not sure if it's the new fish/crab, the salt or just another part of the tanke cycle. I'm going to get a testing kit this weekend & see what that says, but this baffles me. The haziness went away after about 3 days the 1st time... I'm now going on my 4th day the 2nd time around & it's still there.

1077 10-01-2009 08:45 AM

In aquariums there are normally three things that contribute to cloudy or hazy water. One is filter that is not properly colonized with bacteria or unsdersized for the tank.
Two is overfeeding fish which can cause water to smell ,become cloudy,cause ammonia levels to rise,or all of the above.
Three is bacteria or algae blooms ,which usually dissapear within a week to two weeks.
I recommend you stop buying fish and purchase the test kit. Adding even three or four fish to a tank that has not matured or (cycled) and then possibly over feeding the fish can cause dangerous to lethal levels of toxins such as ammonia,and nitrites to stress the fish to the point of sickness and or death. The only salt needed in Cichlid tanks are cichlid salt's or marine salt's that contain minerals to increase the buffering capacity of your water to achieve hard alkaline water with pH values between 8.0 to 8.6. Tonic salt, (aquarium salt) is not used for this purpose.
Aquarium salt(sodium chloride), is used for treatment of some parasites and is also used to help detoxify nitrites in emergency situations.but for nitrite poisoning, it is much quicker to simply change the water perhaps every few hours to every day depending on levelks recorded with your TEST KIT. Most stores will test your water for you if you bring them a sample.
Do read up on (cycling a new aquarium and cut back on feeding until the tank has matured.)

Night Foxx 10-01-2009 10:14 AM

hmmm.... from the sounds of it, I'm overfeeding and using the wrong salt. Poor fish.. no really.

On the feeing topic, I have been feeding them (pellets) twice a day.. is that too much? I by no means count the pellets, but I'm guessing I give them about 15 pellets +/-. Not each.. total. I just worry about underfeeding because the two bullies in the tank eat a lot of the food by themselves.

1077 10-01-2009 10:40 AM

I would reduce the amount offered by half and perhaps feed the fish once a day or even every other day. Cichlids can and do store food in their stomachs and can go a day without food easily. You must keep in mind that uneaten food combined with fish waste (ie ) poop ,quickly renders ammonia in the aquarium. In new tanks that have not the bacteria in sufficient amounts to consume the ammonia and nitrites,fish are poisoned by these two toxins.
Getting your water tested will help reveal what your pH level is as well as what ammonia,and nitrite levels may be. Depending on how hard or soft your water is,and the particular cichlids you have,,you may not need any buffering agents at all. I would perhaps google information on the species of fish and find out what their ideal water parameters are before accepting fish store employee's recommendations on what you should or should not be dumping into the aquarium.
The one product that you DO need is a water conditioner such as PRIME that will help to detoxify ammonia,and nitrites.

Night Foxx 10-01-2009 12:26 PM

cool..thanks for the advise guys.

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