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musho3210 01-30-2007 05:16 PM

Flourish by Seachem
 
Today i just bought florish by sea chem to aid my non growing and possibly dying java moss. The tank is very basic, .75wpg (its low but java moss doesnt need much) 20 gallon tank, houses 7 zebra danios, 2 otos and 4 ghost shrimp, please not that i will be adding bolivian rams once there done with there quarantine period.

My question is how much should i use since my tank is so lowly planted. The plant has some greyish transparent leaves and some brown stem thingys. My shrimp and my fish seem to love this plant so i would hate to lose it, thanks.

By the way on the back it says use 5ml per 60 gallons.

jones57742 01-30-2007 06:51 PM

Re: Flourish by Seachem
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by musho3210
Today i just bought florish by sea chem to aid my non growing and possibly dying java moss. The tank is very basic, .75wpg (its low but java moss doesnt need much) 20 gallon tank, houses 7 zebra danios, 2 otos and 4 ghost shrimp, please not that i will be adding bolivian rams once there done with there quarantine period.

My question is how much should i use since my tank is so lowly planted. The plant has some greyish transparent leaves and some brown stem thingys. My shrimp and my fish seem to love this plant so i would hate to lose it, thanks.

By the way on the back it says use 5ml per 60 gallons.

Based on several items in your post
I can recommend, from experience, that you double the dose and dosage frequency during the first week (ie. 10ml/60G four times during the first week on alternating days).

The second week dose 5ml/60G (the recommended dosage) but dose four times instead of two.
If by the middle of the second week you do not see a significant improvement in the plants' health something else is wrong.

If you have seen significant improvement in the plants' health then you can "experiment" with applying the recommended dosage (5ml/60G) either once or twice a week to determine which is best for your plants.

TR

musho3210 01-30-2007 07:12 PM

ok thanks, i was worried since i dont have many plants and i dont want to over dose that it ends up effecting my fish.

jones57742 01-31-2007 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by musho3210
ok thanks, i was worried since i dont have many plants and i dont want to over dose that it ends up effecting my fish.

Musho:

I hope that F4A can provide input to this thread as he has way more experience than I do and I have pm'ed with the link to this thread.

Whether you have one or ten plants a minimum concentration of the various fertilization compounds is required for plant health.

Obviously too great a concentration of these compounds (nutrients for plants) is not good for fish and will probably generate serious algae as well as an algae bloom.

If a sufficient number of plants causes a rapid depletion of the nutrients the dosage is not increased but the dosage frequency is increased (ie. twice a week to three times a week).

I am not saying this very well but I hope you get "gist" of the content of this post.

TR

fish_4_all 01-31-2007 01:03 PM

Well, since it is a 20 gallon, there are two pissible causes of the Java fern problems. The first is the lack of nutrients because it can be a nutrient sponge. I would dose the Flourish at the regular dose twice a week to see if the moss responds. Maybe even consider getting some NO3 to dose.

The other problem is 0.75 watts/gallon is extremely low for a 20 gallon and is equivelant to nearly no light at all. GO HERE and input your tank dimensions. I know it sounds odd but I have 33 watts over my 10 gallon tanks and have very little problems with algae without CO2. I do dose Excel now but even befor eI got it the algae was minimul and was much worse when I had DIY CO2 and couldn't keep stable levels. Anything that comes out on that chart below low light may not be enough to grow much of anything

Give the moss some nutrients and possibly consider getting some NO3 for it because it sounds like your levels could be too low to benefit the moss. If that doesn't work, then the moss needs more light. And yes, Anubias can be grown in light levels that you can barely see but the growth will also be barely seen. I have mine under 3.3 w/g in 10 gallon tanks and I can actually see the leaves growth daily. I can only imagine their growth rates in higher light. I could not grow java moss in my 10 gallon tanks with 1.5 w/g, it suffered from lack of light and never grew fast enough to produce more than was rotting away.

BTW, there is a difference between fish waste nutrients and dosed nutrients. Dosed nutrients are readily available to the plants and they can be used as is by the plants. Broken down nutrients will test high sometimes but you can still see nutrient deficiancies in plants because it is not all readily used by the plants.

As far as overdosing, here is what I dose a week:
30ppm NO3
2.75ppm PO4
0.9-1.1 ppm Iron
5ppm MgSO4
20ppm Ca

Even if my plants use none of it, I can have a maximum buildup of double that amount because I do 50%+ water changes weekly.

musho3210 01-31-2007 03:30 PM

ok, well one day i will be upgrading my tank to a 55 gallon and i will hopefully get at least 2wpg on the 55, i will move the plant there, for now i guess i'll go with your tips on dosing flourish


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