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carpet1 09-07-2009 07:46 PM

What filter is this?
 
I got this filter? with a tank I brought. Nobody around here knows about it. Can it be converted to a skimmer, filter, etc. I don't even know what powers it. My local fish guy sair to toss it. HELP
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Pasfur 09-08-2009 05:56 AM

Do not toss it!

Is there a round hole cut in the bottom? If not, is there a glass or acrylic shop in your area that has the ability to cut a round hole for you?

This unit has several potential applications. The best would be to use as an overflow for a sump. You could also convert it into a hang on protein skimmer or chemical filtration chamber, or even a biological filter for a quarantine tank or freshwater aquarium. Heck, I bet some of these guys would turn it into a refugium.

Can I get some more pictures TOP DOWN, looking at the guts of this thing? Take the pictures end to end, rather than from the front, looking down into it. Also, where does the airline tubing go?

You may also want to get it running just to see how the water moves and at what heights within the chambers. As it exists, you need to put a power head into the far empty chamber to power the water flow back to the tank. You could just hang it on a 10 gallon tank to watch it operate.

onefish2fish 09-08-2009 07:01 AM

took the words right out of my keyboard. i first was thinking its an overflow box but couldnt see a whole for the water to drain down ( which if there isnt a simple hole with matching size bulkhead would fix )
i then thought what a sweet refugium that would make for a smaller tank.
the air line tubing is prob. what was used to suck the air out of the tubes. with the "U" tubes in place and both ends submerged underwater, shoving that airline up inside one at a time to suck out the air trapped will get the siphon started.

the fish store guy was going to watch you throw it out, wait for you to leave, then go picking through the trash. :wink:
welcome to the forum.

mrmosin 09-08-2009 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by onefish2fish (Post 240110)
took the words right out of my keyboard. i first was thinking its an overflow box but couldnt see a whole for the water to drain down ( which if there isnt a simple hole with matching size bulkhead would fix )
i then thought what a sweet refugium that would make for a smaller tank.
the air line tubing is prob. what was used to suck the air out of the tubes. with the "U" tubes in place and both ends submerged underwater, shoving that airline up inside one at a time to suck out the air trapped will get the siphon started.

the fish store guy was going to watch you throw it out, wait for you to leave, then go picking through the trash. :wink:
welcome to the forum.

There are no holes in the bottom. The air line was hanging loose. In the part with the 3 tubes, there was a hanging bag, really dirty, that may have had earth in it.The water must gone from the bottom to the second compartment, then over the top to the last where the round filter fabric was located. The plastic tube, which the filter media was wrapped, was sealed on the bottom with holes in it along the sides. I assume the power head fit into the top of the tube. There is nothing inside the compartments, except cut-outs in the walls. I am in the early stages of a 55 gallon saltwater tank, and was hoping, somehow , to use it in the tank. For what, that is something I hope you nice people can help me with.
This will be my first saltwater tank, and it is a lot more complex than I thought.

mrmosin 09-08-2009 12:39 PM

More pics. The left compartment opening is at the bottom of the wall. The middle compartment is about 2/3 up from the bottom. It came with a power-head, but ni plastic pipe to make everything go
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I am not sure where the plastic box goes. It looks lika a flow diverter to slow down the water speed. The middle compartment has rails it could sit on, but I see no purpose in it. It will fit at the bottom of the left tank.

Pasfur 09-09-2009 07:14 AM

I think this used to be a simple biological filter. The middle chamber likely had a flat piece of acrylic drilled with holes, laying flat across the edges, allowing water to "sprinkle" down over biomedia. In any case, I don't care what is used to be, lets decide what to do with it.

Your best option is to use this as an overflow box, adding a sump beneath your aquarium. This will require drilling a hole in the bottom of chamber 3. You will then have a return pump from the sump, pumping water back into the aquarium. Water will enter the overflow box, flow into chamber 1, overflow into chamber 2, then into chamber 3, and drain down into the sump.

(Chamber 1 = input, chamber 2 = middle, chamber 3 = empty area. Lets all use this for discussion purposes.)

If a sump is not possible, lets discuss the option of a protein skimmer and refugium built into this thing.

mrmosin 09-09-2009 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasfur (Post 240640)
I think this used to be a simple biological filter. The middle chamber likely had a flat piece of acrylic drilled with holes, laying flat across the edges, allowing water to "sprinkle" down over biomedia. In any case, I don't care what is used to be, lets decide what to do with it.

Your best option is to use this as an overflow box, adding a sump beneath your aquarium. This will require drilling a hole in the bottom of chamber 3. You will then have a return pump from the sump, pumping water back into the aquarium. Water will enter the overflow box, flow into chamber 1, overflow into chamber 2, then into chamber 3, and drain down into the sump.

(Chamber 1 = input, chamber 2 = middle, chamber 3 = empty area. Lets all use this for discussion purposes.)

If a sump is not possible, lets discuss the option of a protein skimmer and refugium built into this thing.

Here is where I am at. I am starting a 29 gallon salt water, in the very early stages. I just put some live sand in last night. I also have a 55 gallon I am going to start on next week. I plan on going very slow, and no fish will be added until each tank is ready. I will probably not go with a reef tank until l have all the equipment. I don't have a sump or protein skimmer yet, so advice on the best way to use this box is appreciated.

Pasfur 09-09-2009 09:04 PM

Regardless of the eventual livestock, the basics of the aquarium will not change. A protein skimmer, live rock, and live sand are the keys to success with any style marine system. Be it fish only, fish & invert, or reef, this is the method of filtration that you want to use.

Given this, my original comments stand. Is a sump possible?

mrmosin 09-10-2009 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasfur (Post 240965)
Regardless of the eventual livestock, the basics of the aquarium will not change. A protein skimmer, live rock, and live sand are the keys to success with any style marine system. Be it fish only, fish & invert, or reef, this is the method of filtration that you want to use.

Given this, my original comments stand. Is a sump possible?

I am working on a location. The interior of the cabinet is only 8" wide. So the sump would have to be located in another area. I will have live rock and sand. The skimmer is what I am currently learning about. A local shop has one for $149, and is a hang-on model. Seems kinda high, but I am looking at other sources.

Pasfur 09-11-2009 04:12 PM

You don't want to spend money on a skimmer at the LFS. There are many online vendors who provide huge discounts on this type equipment. Before choosing a skimmer, you first need to decide on the sump situation, because this will determine your skimmer selection.


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