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MoneyMitch 09-04-2009 12:33 PM

Compatibility
 
Ok so i want to get close to having a final wish list for fish here soon (im going to start cycle with super dannionos tomorrow. here are the specs for my aquarium right now. now the ph may go down some after the cycle but im not banking on it. Right now my top picks are discus, angels, ropefish, pleco (of course) Loaches, Neons, Some of the larger species of shrimp, some Easy going cichlids. Thanks for you help guys! Money.

What type of substrate? Sand

Water PH? 8.0-8.2

Lighting? x2 Lifeglow 2 tubes

Filtration? Biowheel 450

Heating? 250 watt Stealth heater

Live plants? Soon to be

Fishin Pole 09-04-2009 05:27 PM

You should take your tag line's advice and know more about the fish you want than your fish store......Put down the hookah, and research the fish you want, alot of them are not compatible with each other or your water's high Ph........What size tank are you starting to cycle for these fish?

aunt kymmie 09-04-2009 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MoneyMitch (Post 238178)
Ok so i want to get close to having a final wish list for fish here soon (im going to start cycle with super dannionos tomorrow. here are the specs for my aquarium right now. now the ph may go down some after the cycle but im not banking on it. Right now my top picks are discus, angels, ropefish, pleco (of course) Loaches, Neons, Some of the larger species of shrimp, some Easy going cichlids. Thanks for you help guys! Money.

What type of substrate? Sand

Water PH? 8.0-8.2

Lighting? x2 Lifeglow 2 tubes

Filtration? Biowheel 450

Heating? 250 watt Stealth heater

Live plants? Soon to be

What type of loaches? Discus, unless you are lucky enough to be able to find some captive bred who are acclimated to that high of a ph (they exist here in San Diego from a well known breeder) are most likely going to need to be crossed off your list. Not sure on the shrimp or rope fish. I'd say the rest of them are doable, provided you do a very proper & methodical drip acclimation. JMHO.

MoneyMitch 09-04-2009 11:54 PM

with hookah aside Fishinpole.... I also belive in my sig which is why im trying to learn more. i find personal experiance from others alog with google is the best way to gather information. PS its a 55 gal and maybe you should put down the hookah before you try to say something cute ;)

Back on topic Aunt my LFS does have captive bred discus that are in a ph around 8 right now. and as far as loaches go i guess my question is what types of loaches get along with the widest variety of other species, my goal here is to have a few top level swimmers a good amount of bottom swimmers and a few mid level. just as everyone else i want a colorful tank. i dont have any "african theme" or "S.american theme" just curious to everyones personal exp with the types of fish that i am trying to put together.

Fishin Pole 09-05-2009 08:58 AM

with all joking aside, your selecting fish that wont do well in a high Ph........plus the compatibility factors.........With discus your temp should be between 82 or higher for them to feel comfortable, which is too warm for most other fish....Discus also cannot handle very hard water, which with a high Ph, i suspect your is.........Purchasing a R/O unit would take care of this, but with discus requiring alot of water changes (1/3 daily has been recommended by websites and a few breeders i know). the R/O unit will have a hard time producing that much water for them........They would do well with angelfish, but angelfish are usually passive fish also, but if you end up with a pair, aggression will show its ugly face and a discus would become a target in a 55...........Neons are definitely out of the equation, once the angelfish reach maturity they WILL eat the neons, if the ropefish hasnt eaten them all by that time......The ropefish......wont live long in waters that are at a high temp for the discus, plus they dont like bright lights, which you would need for a planted tank that the angels and discus require.......Any shrimp you put in with those 3 types of fish will just be expensive live food (not a bad thing).........The loaches are something i must admit i hac=ve never kept and dont really know alot about, but i do know they like to be with others of their kind, so a minimum of 3 would work best.......If you decide to go with discus, you would be better off with 2 filters in stead of one big one.......Also a 300 watt heater to keep the temp at the degree that discus require would be the better option or possibly 2 200 watt heaters........You still have alot of research and ecision making to do for this tank to ever work for you in the long term

MoneyMitch 09-05-2009 09:30 AM

so ive done some googling and decided agianst all of those fish.. maybe get the angels still but idk if itll work. im thinking of getting maybe a tiger oscar or two and then some rift lakes since they like the hard water. that way i can have a pretty colorful tank but still be working with what i have. just curious if i could get angels in with them. any experience with angels and oscars in the same tank?

aunt kymmie 09-05-2009 12:09 PM

The angels wouldn't stand a chance against oscars. :-(

Fishin Pole 09-05-2009 12:15 PM

i wouldnt trust an oscar in a tank with any angels..........For the mostpart, angels are rather passive unless you have a mating pair, then they show some aggression towards tankmates.......The other thing to consider with angels is they like alot of tall plants to feel comfortable in the tank, with most oscars, they will rip and tear your plants up.......With the high Ph of your water, i think african cichlids are your best option, but they are really tough for compatibility issues......being a cichlid owner for over 20years it can be tough to find the right combo with them also.......It will probably come done to trial and error with africans and each individual fish have different personalities in the same species......They are beautiful ans much as they are nasty......I wish you the best of luck with figuring out what wil work for you and your tank........

MoneyMitch 09-05-2009 01:56 PM

thanks for the info FP, tell me if this assumption is wrong or not. if i were to combo angels with the other cichlids i was going to intentionally buy a male and female so that they would pair up. but that pairing up process idk anything about nor do i plan on breeding. the reason is so that they angels wont be picked on by the oscars or any of the other people in the tank. i know oscars and pretty much every cichlid can be aggro was just thinking about getting fish that woult let others push them around. i mean ive never seen it but can fish with no teeth really kill another fish? as far as plants go im not to concerd about them uprooting the plants as i got like 1 -2 inches of sand to root them in and plenty of rocks to anchor them if need be.

Byron 09-05-2009 03:08 PM

I've read through this thread, glad I waited because the initial fish list had scary things in it, but that's all out now.

Re the fish with no teeth... Most all fish have teeth, exceptions being the catfish. All characins have teeth, at least in the post-larval form (Gery), and as far as I recall, the cichlids do. Dentition often plays a significant role in fish identification, determining which genus for new speices, etc. But besides this, it is certainly possible for one fish to easily kill another without taking a bite.

I would not mix African rift lake cichlids with any other fish (exception being some catfish/plecos suitable for those conditions). These fish are like poles apart from other freshwater fish, closer to marine fish many scientists maintain. They evolved in complete isolation and the species are endemic to their respective lake. A fascinating group of fish to be sure, but worthy of their own aquarium.

Aside from other considerations, sedate angelfish would be terrorized by rough cichlids. These are sedate, calm water fish, programmed by evolution to gracefully swim amongst reeds, tree trunks and branches, in quiet warm waters; the patterning of the wild fsh along with their physical structure is the clue to this. The stress of tankmates like oscars or similar large boistrous/aggressive fish would easily lead to health issues and probably death [following up my comment above].

A thought on plants, if you intend a planted aquarium (at whatever level) plant it at the beginning if you can get the plants. Plants will cycle the tank on the first day with fish in it, end of "new tank syndrome," provided there are enough of them.Plants cannot photosynthesize (grow) without ammonium, and ammonium comes from ammonia; in acidic water the plants remove the ammonium directly (ammonia basically changes to ammonium in acidic water), and in basic (alkaline) water the plants grab the ammonia and internally convert it to ammonium to use. It is also believed that they can use nitrite the same way. And they do it so effectively that in a planted tank the bacteria are the second in line when it comes to removing ammonia and nitrite. Plants filter water signficantly better than any filter we can stick on the tank, and in whatever numbers.

Byron.


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