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Herky 07-28-2009 08:35 PM

One of my gouramis has met his maker...violently.
 
I really don't know what to make of this. My fish have all gotten along peacefully since I bought them in March. I haven't had a single death other than natural causes (two mollies appeared to grow old and just ceased to be). Until today. Today, as I got everything ready for my weekly water change and maintenance, I noticed one of my gouramis laying on it's side at the bottom...literally torn to shreds...guts hanging out..everything. He was still alive somehow...kinda just twitching now and again but still breathing. He was fine yesterday, fine this morning. None of my other fish have "battle damage" and I've never seen any of the others going after him or any of the gouramis for that matter. I don't think either of my mollies could have done what was done...and it looked like much more severe than any of the other gouramis were capable of inflicting. Angelfish then? I don't know what to think.

Twistersmom 07-28-2009 08:42 PM

What size tank and what fish are in there?

Herky 07-28-2009 09:00 PM

It's a 29 gallon that's way overstocked. Angels, gouramis, discus, mollies. I didn't know any better when I started getting fish and bought too many. I'd hoped it would work out, but apparently they are getting much too violent. I'm getting a 75 gallon in a month and I've already moved the mollies out to another tank.

Twistersmom 07-28-2009 09:28 PM

My guess would be either the angels or discus.
I have not kept either one, they prefer a lower ph than I can give them.
I know mating angels can get pretty aggressive. Two male gouramis together can get bad as well ,but I do not think they could cause the damage you witnessed.

DragonFish 07-28-2009 09:32 PM

These are Dwarf Gouramis, yes?(guessing from other posts of yours)
I've yet to see any real aggression between my very large Angel and my Dwarf Gourami, that doesn't mean it can't happen.....but I can't see an Angel taking down a Gourami unless they were much larger then said Gourami or had help....
I'd pin it on the other Gourami honestly, I've seen this happen before. You had three, correct? Not a bad number, its good to have at least three if you want more then one, but I'm guessing in such a small tank and assuming they are all males(if they are dwarfs then this is highly likely)they reached maturity and started to duke it out.....you said you hadn't experienced any aggression though between them previously? Was there any chasing? Nipping? Slightly nipped fins or small bit marks? How long were you away from the tank since you last saw him alive?

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Originally Posted by Twistersmom (Post 219614)
Two male gouramis together can get bad as well ,but I do not think they could cause the damage you witnessed.

You'd be surprised how rough they can get ;-)

Herky 07-29-2009 11:56 AM

Yep, three dwarf blues. They tended to chase each other after feeding time, but never any damaged fins or anything at all. They kinda had their own territory established...one on the right, one in the middle, and one on the left...and they stayed away from each other. It was only a matter of a few hours between alive and fine...and then dead and ripped up. As far as the discus go, they are babies...one is the size of a dime, the other the size of a quarter maybe, and they are more interested in each other than any of the other fish. I've never seen the angels go after the gouramis, and they've been together since the angels were dime sized, but they are getting pretty huge now...so it could be. It's kinda a toss up. I guess I better watch them and if things start getting worse for the remaining ones I'll move them to one of the other 3 tanks I have available, if I see it happening in time.

DragonFish 07-29-2009 12:17 PM

Yeah, I wouldn't blame the Discus....I've never heard of them being that aggressive before.
Could have very well been a mix of the Angels and Gourami....one started picking on him and the others joined in....or he may have even just been killed and then ripped up, I've seen that too with other fish. Yeah, just keep an eye on them I guess....
How big are the Angels now by the way?

Herky 07-29-2009 02:17 PM

The angels are too big for the tank. I'd say from nose to tail...a little over 4 inches. I'd start separating them into other tanks..but the other tanks have guppies and they've shown a taste for baby guppies. My girlfriend would not be happy. Hopefully they can wait another month before killing each other.

DragonFish 07-29-2009 02:21 PM

:shock: Whoa, thats about as big as mine is. At least it seems your taking good care of them ;-)
Yeah, its possible it was one, the other, or both.....the bigger tank should help, maybe a little more cover and hiding spots if you can fit those in there for now....
Let me tell ya though, both Angels and Gourami will clean your tank of fry, its the only reason I can keep livebearers :lol:

Twistersmom 07-29-2009 02:21 PM

See if the angels are showing mating behavior. Sounds like they are about the correct age.


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