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hayvennsfish 01-13-2007 12:28 PM

UGF and HOB Combo... Your Opinion Please??
 
Just a quick question .... looking for some opinions on the subject.
I've read a million articles on the use of UGF's .... some love em, some don't.
I have a 29 gallon tank, came with a UGF so I installed it. I've had one before and it was a disaster, so I decided to add a 50 gallon HOB filter as well.
I'm wondering if it'll help keep the UGF from clogging up too much? And keep any "dead spots" cleaned up? Or should I just take it out? I vaccuum with each water change, does that help too?
Any advice would be appreciated!!

musho3210 01-13-2007 03:21 PM

yes, when you have an undergravel filtler, you must vacuum the gravel every time you do a water change to prevent clogs or sludge.

fish_4_all 01-14-2007 01:53 AM

What model HOB?

As for the undergravel, if it is still newer, I would remove it now. If you are not going planted, then the best option if you keep it is to get powerheads and run the backwards down the intakes.

IMHO, remove it now, the 50 gallon HOB should be more than enough if it is a descent filter.

hayvennsfish 01-14-2007 11:44 AM

I've REALLY been struggling with whether to keep it or not .... seems to me it'll be more trouble than it's worth in the long run, even with vacuuming etc. My HOB is an Aquaclear, better than the topfin as far as I'm concerned. Don't think i want to invest in the trouble of power heads etc... as I'm not planning on having a heavily or overstocked tank. Much prefer to keep it simple. And considering the UGF has been in there less than a month, it should be pretty simple to remove!

fish_4_all 01-14-2007 12:55 PM

The AquaClear will work just fine, I use them on both of my tanks.

hayvennsfish 01-14-2007 01:00 PM

That's great to know!! I've just finished removing the UGF from my tank .... water's a bit disturbed, but it actually looks better, too!!!!
Many thanks to all who offered help, and to the site .... sooo much great information!!!

herefishy 01-16-2007 10:10 PM

OK. Once again,to those claiming to have the wisdom of the gods are putting down ug filter plates, allow me, once again, to try to set things back to an even keel.
UG filters have their place in the hobby. Yes, they are prone, under extreme circumstances, to clogging and uneven flow. These maladies can, and are significantly abated by the use of reverse flow power heads in lieu of being driven by air pumps or even powerheads in traditional operation. This is not a new theory. As far back as 1987, such outstanding fish keepers as Tim Keopp, Bob McDononald and others were publishing their observations in Tropical Fish Hobbiest magazine. It took a lady by the name of Deloris Scheerer, a fantastic breeder of fish from the Detroit area, to show me the benefits of this process. This lady could breed fish by throwing them on a sponge!!!!
I will say that any single type of filtration is NOT the answer to outstanding tank maintainance, but a combination of methods, used simultaneously, is, was, and always will be, the most effective means of tank maintenance.
It has taken me 40+ years in this hobby to form this hypothesis. I have noticed that many who post views that are nothing more than misinformation have, for the most part, a mere fraction of time in the hobby. Many are all about the latest and greatest "new mousetrap" that comes on the market and are caught up in the glitz in owning such contraptions.
So, before you speak, make sure you have ALL of the facts, and that you are not promoting a "flash in the pan" idea that some marketing guru has put out there for you to swallow "hok, line, and sinker".

flatcam1 01-17-2007 12:51 AM

i don't think you should call other people gods because they have different views from you..... :(

fish_4_all 01-17-2007 12:58 AM

That is funny you talk about LFS because mine actually recommends them to everyone who gets fish. Of course they also recommend you tear them down every 6-12 months and clean then and restart the tank. Maybe a mix of good and bad advice in that one.


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