need guidence on my community ideas...
I have a 30 gallon tanked in the cycle process now with two white cloud tetras to start the whole thing off, so I have about two-three weeks to decide but wanted to start looking at possibilities now for this community tank. This is my first tank ever so I'm not so sure of compatability and wanted to know if my thoughts are on track to becoming a good community! :)
I am unsure of how many of each and still in the indicision process of which ones i want but was thinking along the lines of:
Pleco (which if i have to move to a larger tank in the future will)
upside down catfish(?)
flame dwarf gourami(?)
Obviously this list is huge but was wondering out of the list what would you put in a 30 gallon community to help me narrow things down and as to compatability which to stay far away from if any for such a diverse community tank im attempting :) Also is it bad to have just one kind of one fish? or little pockets work better?
I thank you all VERY much in advance!
Dwarf puffers are nice, they are fun to watch, but then if you get them you should stick with just the one kind since they are usually quite agressive. Lots of fish like clown loaches are fine in 20-30 gallon tanks while they are small, and they grow slowly but will need much bigger tanks in the future. When I got my first tank I got tetras and gouramis, but a few weeks later I wanted something more exciting, so should definitely think and do lots of research before you get anything.
For fish selection for your 30 you have quite a list of fish , but for the most part its not that daunting a task..........These are my suggestions for your first tank:
5 or 6 cory catfish (they like to be in groups of their own)
5 or 6 cherry barbs (ask for a mix of males and females)
add a few more of the white cloud tetras (they also like to be with more of their own)
the glofish might work, but i would also buy at least 5 to keep their crazy antics and fin nipping to a minumum
you might be able to make a dwarf gourami work for your tank also, but i would just get 1
Remember to only add a few fish a week AFTER your cycle is complete....adding them all at once will send your tank back into a mini cycle
the pleco, depending on species will probably outgrow the tank rather quickly, unless its a smaller variety species..
being your first tank, and new to the hobby, i would avoid the sharks and angelfish till you feel really comfortable at rearing fish and also the angels would appreciate a larger (heightwise) tank.......The guppies, platys, and mollies are live bearers and would overpopulate your tank rather quickly with all the baby fry fish...
I hope this helps you out, and remember, these are only suggestions....Hopefully other members give their opinion and outlook..........Good Luck with the tank!
Albino Cories - Do well in a community aquarium, all cories do. Best kept in a group of 4 or more, 6+ is nice. A sand substrate is a good idea too.
Glofish - Not a problem here. These are just danios. Keep as many or few as you like.
Pleco - Don't buy a fish your tank can't hold when its full grown. "I'll get a bigger tank later," sounds good but 9 times out of 10 doesn't happen. They're big, messy, and you'll be happier with cories.
Dalmation Mollies - Mollies in general do better in brackish conditions. I'd avoid them for a first time tank.
Veil Angel - No, your tank is too small. A fully grown angel can be 6" long and 12" tall.
Cherry Barb - A more docile barb, no problem there.
Parrot fish - Avoid it for a first time tank.
upside down catfish - No problem here. Personally I'd go with the cories myself but that's me. If you do get one have some driftwood and rockwork for them to hide in.
Guppies - Breed like rabbits. Pretty, but not very hardy. If you do want them get males only if you don't want babies and avoid fish like gouramis.
Flame Dwarf Gourami- No real problem. Just be aware their fins can get nipped by some fish. Also, only one gourami or a mated pair in a tank your size. The odds of you finding a female are low... so just one.
Loach - What kind? Clown, no, your tank is just too small.
Platies - Yes! I love them, some of my favorite fish. You'd be hard pressed to find a more varied breed. However the guppy rules apply. They breed like rabbits.
Shark - Bala, no. Red tailed, rainbow, albino, only one. If you do decide you want one mention it and I'll give you directions for how to add them. They're picky little critters.
Dwarf Puffer - Species only tank, not good community members.
Dragon Goby - No, specialized care requirements make it a bad idea for beginners.
Tetras - Always a good choice. I love neons, cardinals, serpaes, black skirts and such. Also if you like tetras can I recommend rasboras?
There's nothing wrong with a species only tank. Dwarf Puffers in particular from your list should be kept that way. As for a community, certain fish have certain requirements. For instance when it comes to tetras the more the better. More fish means better behavior and more activity. Same with cories. You'll rarely go wrong with bigger schools. Other fish, like guppies, platies, and such can be kept as many or as few as you like. Some fish even need to be kept solo, like gourami's and sharks.
If you want a pleco look for one of the smaller growing species such as a bristlenose or clown pleco. These only grow to about 4-6".
thank you all! REVISMENT!
For the 30 gallon I'm looking at teras, barbs, and glofish to school together just a few nothing crazy maybe 3 of each. A few albino cories, 1 platie as i do enjoy them but dont need babies over taking and 1 Gourami.
Still would love to do a loach, mollie, parrot fish, or shark breed to give the tank personality and diversity besides the new list above, unless someone has any other great ideas! (which are appreciated) I just love the idea of an all over the place tank. :-D Is there a loach that can be a good one for my size tank? I hear they are great!
Violet Gobys ("Dragon Goby") are really cool fish (I have one), but unless you intend to upgrade later to a larger tank that wouldn't be a good choice. They get huge (up to 20 inches).
if you're set on getting a loach,mollie, parrot fish, or shark breed then is there a way that you can go ahead and upgrade your tank to something in the range of a 55 to 70 gal tank ? i know what you mean by an "all over the place tank". i have a mixed african cichlid tank, i like all the different colors and personalities they bring to the tank.
Albino Cories - Cories like groups. Keep these in a group of at least six. You could get any other type of cory, as well. Species usually only school with their own kind, so stick to one type of cory.
Glofish(?) - Genetically modified zebra danios. Good upper level schoolers. Get at least six. Or, mix them with regular (read: less expensive) zebra danios. Other small species of danio will work just as well, such as blue, leopard or pearl danios.
Pleco (which if i have to move to a larger tank in the future will) - A smaller species of pleco will work just fine, like a bristlenose pleco. Avoid common plecos as these get huge.
Dalmation Mollies - Generally good community fish. Get a ratio of at least one male to two females to keep the females from getting harassed. Or, if you want to avoid them breeding, just get all males.
Veil Angel - This is seriously pushing it in terms of size. You could maybe get away with one, but it would mean no small fish and no fin nippers.
Cherry Barb - Get at least two males and four females. Like the mollies, the males need a lot of females so the females don't get pestered too much. This will also bring out the best colors in the males. The two males will also compete against one another and end up looking really great.
Parrot fish - Not community fish. They can be quite aggressive, along with getting pretty big for a 30g. Also, keep in mind that these hybrid fish have all kinds of health problems associated with them being mutilated as babies in order to attain their signature body shape. They are also often dyed in order to acheive the colors you see in the stores.
upside down catfish(?) - Treat these like upside-down corydoras catfish. They need to be kept in schools. Because they get a bit bigger than cories, a good school of these will seriously limit what other fish you can put in the tank.
Guppies(?) - Treat the same as mollies, although they're smaller so you could keep a larger number of them. Fish this small would get eaten by things like angels or parrot fish.
flame dwarf gourami(?) - These tend to be aggressive towards one another, so just get one or try to have tall and/or floating plants (real or fake) to create territories if you want more than one.
loach(?) - Be very careful here, as many types of loaches get rather large. Most loaches are schooling fish. Good loaches for a tank your size would be kuhli loaches, pygmy chain loaches and possibly something as big as Botia kubotai or Botia striata. They also tend to be on the expensive size so getting an appropriate school could cost a lot. These make good bottom-level schoolers.
platies(?) - Livebearers; treat like mollies, but a bit smaller (although bigger than guppies).
shark(?) - Be very careful here. "Shark" includes all kinds of things, some of which are alright and some which are far from it. Rainbow and redtailed sharks are territorial bottom dwellers but could fit in your tank and work ok as long as you avoid other territorial bottom dwellers (in other words, if you want one, get only one). Other "sharks" such as iridescent sharks, bala sharks or Colombian sharks are much too large for your tank.
dwarf puffer - Territorial and extremely nippy. Personally, I think these little guys would get lost in a tank that large. I've successfully kept them with tiger barbs, but that was a gamble that just happened to work. Usually they're best kept in a species-only tank, and it'd seem weird to me to have even half a dozen of these tiny guys in a huge tank like that all by themselves. If you do get them, make sure you get the actual dwarf puffers and not green spotted or figure eight puffers, which are sometimes sold as dwarf puffers.
dragon goby - These get too large for your tank and are brackish water fish.
tetras - There are too many types of tetra to list, and they vary greatly in size and temperament. Many of the smaller ones - neons, cardinals, black neons, ember flame, black phantom, lemon, red eye, head and taillight, black skirt, etc. - make good mid-level schoolers, but many can be nippy.
The way I like to stock tanks is to think about the levels. So, I usually go for top, middle, and bottom, and then maybe some "centerpiece" fish to fill things out. So, something like this:
Top: A school of six or so danios or hatchetfish (which are like top swimming tetras). Or, get two male and four female guppies, or two dwarf gouramis with decor to make territories.
Middle: A school of 8-10 smaller tetras like cardinals or ember flames, or 6-8 larger ones like bloodfins. You could get a smaller species of barb instead, such as tiger barbs, although these can be nippy so I wouldn't suggest them with the above mentioned guppies or gouramis. Alternately you could get livebearers (two males and four females) like mollies, platies or swordtails.
Bottom: 8-10 cories, kuhli loaches or pygmy chain loaches, or 6 of the larger Botia I mentioned. Or, a single rainbow or red-tailed shark and maybe a smaller group of 6 cories.
Centerpiece/extra fish: maybe a bristlenose pleco for algae control, and a single dwarf cichlid (ram, apistogramma, kribensis, etc) to add a little extra spice. They do stay closer to the bottom of the tank most of the time so these wouldn't get along with something like the redtail or rainbow shark.
So, a tank with say, six danios, six or eight bloodfin tetras, 8 cories and a kribensis would be pretty good. It would be fairly heavily stocked but so long as you had decent filtration and were good about doing water changes, you shouldn't have any problems. Of course, there are always all kinds of ways for fish to be incompatible with one another, so whatever you settle on, be sure to let us know so we can point out any potential problems.
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