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TropicalMax 05-07-2009 09:12 AM

Help Please-ICH problems + Other Possible Diseases/Fungus
 
HELP!

Ok so I am treating my tank for the ICH with Quick Cure. I am on Day 4(today, no treatment yet). I have been using half dosage (because I have Neons and Cory’s in the tank) about 25-28 drops in my 55 gallon.

Before I started treatment I performed a 30-40% water change and all of my water tests, everything came back within reason so I started treatment. I slowly raised the water temp from about 78-79ish and I am currently at 82-83. I have kept the lights off in the tank because I read it is less stressful for the fish if you keep the lights off-they would enter a dormant state for the few days. So I have been keeping food to a minimum if anything at all.

Yesterday (day 3 of treatment) I turned the light on for a few moments to check on them. All of my fish were “suspended” and inactive. I am guessing this is because of the medication, increase in water temp, and lack of lights. I took a closer look at the fish I caught the ICH on. He is doing better with only a few spots but OMG almost every fish in my tank has it now. It has spread to everything. I am guessing just keep at the quick cure till everything goes away since I might have missed the life cycle. My first question is-do I continue on past day 3 of the quick cure as normal or do I perform a water change (20-40%) prior to medicating again? Do I just keep at the quick cure till everything is gone and everybody is healed?

Ok, so that covers my ICH. Now the real “help” part. I lost one of my rams already and I think the same problem has reappeared. The ram I lost had the top portion of his tail fin missing. There was a white wound where the tail was missing. He turned very pale and would not swim or eat, just suspended in some of the plants. 2 days later and unfortunately he passed. Now my 2nd in command Male Blue Ram has a similar white wound on his tail. It is not as big and he seems to be active so I guess it may just be a nip wound but I wanted to make sure. Could this have anything to do with the ICH? Is this another disease, parasite, fungus that I need to deal with?(sorry about the blurry pictures)
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Lastly my poor female Blue Ram (she is so cute) has a red blemish right where her tail fin meets her “body”. I only noticed this yesterday and tried to take some pictures of this. Again-I have no idea what this is. Could this be related to the ICH? (She doesn’t seem to have any of the ICH white spots on her). Could this be a nip mark from one of the other males picking on her? Another type of parasite, fungus, or disease? (Sorry about the pictures, they are usually much more photogenic)
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The scary part I noticed is that the dominant male (which had already paired with her) is now chasing her off like he knows she is sick. I feel so bad for my guys. I know I am not supposed to start any additional treatment when using one already (quick cure) but I am at a total loss on what to do. Please help.

Byron 05-07-2009 11:09 AM

I would continue treatment for ich as prescribed on the medication. No need for water changes during treatment (unless something else should warrant it, nothing here I can see). Partial water change after the treatment. Temp up is OK. I would leave the light on as normal; many years ago lights off were recomended, but I've never done this and have cured ich more times than I should ever have had to (my own foolishness in getting it).

Copper-base medications are not appreciatd by many fish, especially corys and most tetras. Don't know what other fish you have, but ich takes a good week to cure and new spots will frequently appear on fish during the first couple of days. The parasite must be killed during the free swimming stage, and the life cycle takes several days so treatment must be maintained without any letup (through a water change for instance) in strength.

The ram that has the white smudge on the caudal fin appears to be a male, but the photos are a bit unclear. I myself would concentrate on the ich.

TropicalMax 05-07-2009 12:35 PM

Byron,

Thanks for the info. Yes-the Fish with the white wound on its tail is a Male. The fish with the red spot on his rear is a female. I will continue to concentrate on the ICH and then once it is cured, put the two fish with other issues (white tail spot and female with red spot) in a QT tank and medicate from there.

Byron 05-07-2009 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TropicalMax (Post 193576)
Byron,

Thanks for the info. Yes-the Fish with the white wound on its tail is a Male. The fish with the red spot on his rear is a female. I will continue to concentrate on the ICH and then once it is cured, put the two fish with other issues (white tail spot and female with red spot) in a QT tank and medicate from there.

I got a bit confused over the ram issue, male chasing female that is sick, and I thought the white tail was the sick one--missed your two points, sorry.

By the time the ich has cleared the other things may have gone. White tail spot could be fungus. Red spot on the female is unclear; I myself would not bother, unless it worsens after the ich treatment. Good luck. Keep us posted.

Byron.


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