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Yellamo 03-13-2009 09:14 PM

German Blue Rams and pH
 
I'm looking for a medium sized and colorful fish and noticed the German Blue Ram at the LFS.

I've read that this fish MUST have low pH (under 7.0).

I have somewhat hard water (about 180) and my pH is around 8.0.

Would I be able to keep this type of fish without having to adjust and of my parameters?

65g Tank
- 9 Zebra Danios
- 5 Black Phantom Tetras
- 1 Bleeding Heart Tetra
- 1 Clown Pleco
- 3 Powder Blue Dwarf Gouramis
- 3 Cloan Loaches (newest additon - babies)

Cody 03-13-2009 10:06 PM

Rams are very sensitive fish. They need very soft, acidic water with a low pH (preferably near 6.0). You would need to do drastic changes to reach that and saying you don't want to adjust it, I wouldn't risk it.

aunt kymmie 03-13-2009 11:27 PM

I agree with Cody on the Blue Rams. As an alternative you could look into Bolivian Rams. I keep Bolivian Rams and while not as colorful as the blues they are still a very attractive fish with the added benefit of being hardy. My ph sits at 8.0 and my "guys" do just fine.

jerrypunch 03-14-2009 01:48 AM

Most fish seen in the lfs's today are domestic bred fish, with the exepction of just a few. Most will tolerate neutral conditions.






jp

aunt kymmie 03-14-2009 02:46 AM

Good point but I don't consider 8.0 as neutral.
Yellamo's ph & hardness mirrors mine.

bigk_54 03-24-2009 02:28 PM

My German Blue's in my 55 gallon tank seem to be doing fine and my pH is like 7.8-8. I just got them about week half ago, but they are doing great.........

ReefTrooper 02-16-2012 07:31 AM

I keep German blue rams and golden rams in a tank with a pH around 6.5. I would not recommend this fish to a newcomer but rather to a experienced amazon biotope aquarium as they need much the same care.Dense plantation,low light and an overall dark appearance of the tank is a must along with soft water and a ph from 6 to 7.5.They will breed readily in a densely planted aquarium with flat stones and soft acidic water.Hope this helps. You will have to change those water parameters if you really want to keep them. They are true Jewels when kept under the right conditions.:-D

GwenInNM 02-16-2012 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Timothy 1998 cremer (Post 983797)
I keep German blue rams and golden rams in a tank with a pH around 6.5. I would not recommend this fish to a newcomer but rather to a experienced amazon biotope aquarium as they need much the same care.Dense plantation,low light and an overall dark appearance of the tank is a must along with soft water and a ph from 6 to 7.5.They will breed readily in a densely planted aquarium with flat stones and soft acidic water.Hope this helps. You will have to change those water parameters if you really want to keep them. They are true Jewels when kept under the right conditions.:-D


I agree. They are sensitive fish, and keeping them any length of time does require the ideal water conditions, IMO. It's not that difficult, to purchase RO water (at least here in the US) and add that with each water change. But as Kimmy, says, maybe better to look at Bolivian Rams. They are nice and even larger than a GBR.

Gwen

Tazman 02-16-2012 09:27 AM

Agreed on everything that has been said so far.

I would not start messing with pH levels as it can be quite easy to crash the tank unless you know what you are doing. Kind of the "if it isn't broken don't fix it".

Bolivian rams but be better suited.

ladayen 02-16-2012 12:29 PM

My water is similar to that of the original poster. Early in my fishkeeping "career" I bought two GBR. One was beaten to death in about 2 weeks probably by the other ram. The second one died in about 2 months, most likely from the wrong PH and hardness, as it showed no symptoms of violence or disease. I would expect this to happen to yours Bigk_54.


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