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uksub 01-20-2009 09:44 AM

Stock Wishlist for a 180 FOWLR tank
 
Hi Chaps
I'm still very very newbie to marine fish...So please bare with me!
I have just acquired a 180 g set up with 30 g sump, skimmer, Fluval canister filter...
I've not set it up yet, but I'm hoping to go with 300lbs of sand and 300lbs of LR.
Stock:
2 Volitan Lions,
1 Clown Triggerfish
2 Eels (Snowflake and a Zebra or Golden)
1 Emperor Angelfish
Can anyone out there advise me on my stocklist? Is this too much for a 180? and will they kill each other?
I'm starting out from nothing, so any ideas / advice on the proposed set up and inhabitants would be gratefully received.
I'm thinking the Trigger my be a problem, am I right??
Also, I've looked at various web articles on the internet for background on husbandry for the specimens on my wishlist, but I've not found any mention of probable lifespan, can anyone tell me about growth rate and lifespan of these fish??
Thanks in advance....

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aunt kymmie 01-20-2009 10:40 AM

I've zero experience w/ s/w but wanted to say welcome to the forum!
Looking forward to following along w/ your progress :-)

Pasfur 01-20-2009 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uksub (Post 165205)
Hi Chaps
I have just acquired a 180 g set up with 30 g sump, skimmer, Fluval canister filter...
I've not set it up yet, but I'm hoping to go with 300lbs of sand and 300lbs of LR.
Stock:
2 Volitan Lions,
1 Clown Triggerfish
2 Eels (Snowflake and a Zebra or Golden)
1 Emperor Angelfish

I think you have a very reasonable plan. The fish should do fine together, provided you add them to the tank in the proper order. All of the fish you mention are beginner to moderate level of difficulty, with the exception of the Zebra and Golden Eels, which you should avoid.

I would suggest you add the Snowflake Eel and both Volitan Lions initially. Wait 2 or 3 months and then add the Emperor Angelfish and Clown Trigger at the same time. Both of these fish will become very territorial and will make it very difficult to add additional fish. However, the remainder of your livestock should be ok, provided it is introduced first.

Which brings us to this question.... What fish options will you put into the tank to replace the 2nd Eel which I forbid you from purchasing? ;-) After we pick this fish, we still need to discuss diet and proper feeding. Don't let us forget to get back to this topic.

By the way, what brand and model is your skimmer?

uksub 01-21-2009 07:54 AM

Thanks for the input Pasfur, so the Trigger will not give the Lions a hard time? That's reassuring, the Trigger is a spectacular fish, but I heard so much negative press about it's aggressive nature...As to the other Eel, is their another Eel that you or anyone else on here could suggest? Or another compatible fish, possibly a Wrasse?
Also will I encounter problems with algy, as I understand my cleaning crew will be restricted to turbo snails!
As to feeding, I was thinking frozen shrimp, silverside, would I need, or would it be benificial to load the frozen food with suplements? Also I was planning on having a small tank of breeding Molleys converted to salt water to use as feeders to be used as suplements...Is this doable?
Thanks again for the input...

uksub 01-21-2009 11:37 AM

BTW
The skimmer is a coralife 220

uksub 01-21-2009 11:59 AM

The guy I brought the setup from also gave me a home made skimmer which, apparently, works very well.....Would it be beneficial to water quality to plumb both up??

Kellsindell 01-21-2009 06:35 PM

Do you have any pics of the DIY skimmer? i don't recommend the corallife, they have a bad reputation of being bad. I'd get something like an aquaC or an Euro-reef.

uksub 01-22-2009 07:15 AM

I don't have any pics of the home made skimmer....
I'm still very new to the hobby, can anyone tell me what the benefits or shortcomings would be if I was to use both skimmers and the Fluval canister filter on my new setup??
Thanks

Pasfur 01-22-2009 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uksub (Post 165493)
Thanks for the input Pasfur, so the Trigger will not give the Lions a hard time? That's reassuring, the Trigger is a spectacular fish, but I heard so much negative press about it's aggressive nature...As to the other Eel, is their another Eel that you or anyone else on here could suggest? Or another compatible fish, possibly a Wrasse?
Also will I encounter problems with algy, as I understand my cleaning crew will be restricted to turbo snails!
As to feeding, I was thinking frozen shrimp, silverside, would I need, or would it be benificial to load the frozen food with suplements? Also I was planning on having a small tank of breeding Molleys converted to salt water to use as feeders to be used as suplements...Is this doable?
Thanks again for the input...

Any time you a mixing fish together, especially fish which are territorial to begin with, you are taking some degree of risk. However, in my experience, i would personally feel comfortable with the selections you name. Although you are correct, the Clown Trigger has the potential to be a dominate fish in ANY aquarium. At the same time, never discount the aggressive tendencies of large Angelfish species.

I would not use any cleaning crew. The Trigger will just flip the snails over and eat their out of the shells. YOU are the cleaning crew! In fish only setups such as this one, with large invert-dangerous species, the benefits of a deep sand bed are much more difficult to attain. In reality, you will want a slightly larger grain size... and much more water movement on the bottom of the aquarium. The goal is to aggressively utilize mechanical filtration and not allow debris to settle on the substrate.

Finally, I would never feed mollies to saltwater fish. More on this tonight. Sorry my time keeps getting cut short, I had to watch the soon to be NCAA national champions Louisville Cardinals dismantle Rutgers last night.

uksub 01-22-2009 09:29 AM

I was hoping to try and keep at least some sort of cleaning crew, as I can see it might get quite a lot of crap floating about when the specimens get to adult size, would that not be quite time consuming / difficult to keep clean? Also would that amount of wast have any impact on promotion of algy growth?
Out of my preferred stock list are all of the choices going to eat my cleaning crew?
2 Volitan Lions,
1 Clown Triggerfish
2 Eels (Snowflake and a Zebra or Golden)
1 Emperor Angelfish
Or would I be OK with a cleaning crew with everything except the Trigger?
Thanks again for your input...


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