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Sucidemonkey 01-19-2009 09:39 PM

SUMP NEWB Help please.
 
So im new to sumps, ive always used hang on filters and stuff.
Im going to do a 45g SW tank and right now im in the process of planing it.

I was hoping someone could tell me how to find a good Sump .

I wanted to know if a sump/refugium was a good combo?

If so is there any Outthere that have a sump/refugium and i can put a protein skimmer all together?

please help im so confused :(

Do i have to buy my own plumbing for them? like the pumps and stuff?

thanks in advance.


-edit

Would it be easier if i built it?

Any one got any designs?
I have a 20g Spare tank i could use.

Kellsindell 01-19-2009 09:47 PM

For the most part, yes, you will have to get your own plumbing.

Read Understanding Sumps it'll give you some great info.

The 20g would be good for a sump/refugium and you can use baffles to have an area for the skimmer too. The link will give your further info.

Sucidemonkey 01-19-2009 09:54 PM

what if i got a wet/dry filter and replaced the bioballs with live rock? and then built a refugium in it? Would that be better?

Cody 01-19-2009 10:25 PM

Don't use bioballs or rubble for bio filtration in your sump, IMO. These both just make nitrates. I woudn't put any LR in a sump at all even, unless it is like a few stray pieces in the fuge part.

I would just have three sections (but with bubble traps in between).
-First for intake and possible floss
-Second for fuge (with DSB and chaeto)
-Third for skimmer and return

Sucidemonkey 01-19-2009 10:32 PM

thanks cody.

SKAustin 01-22-2009 08:26 AM

Skimmer and return should not be in the same section of the sump. The Inlet section of the pump should house the skimmer, with a bubble trap to follow. Water levels for the skimmer need to be constant otherwise, skimmer output will be inconsistant and ultimately, less effective. The return section of the sump is where you'll view your evap, so the water level in that section will fluxuate daily (unless you employ an ATO unit). Additionally, Microbubbles from the Skimmer should be trapped out before they reach the return pump. You should not be generating any bubbles in the Refugium section, so the need for a second bubble trap is absent.

One final note, You do not want a Skimmer to follow your Refugium in the sump, otherwise, you will inevitably skim out some of the natural food source you are generating in the Refugium.


Suicidemonkey, Here is what you want. And yes, you should make your own. much more cost effective, and you can employ a better skimmer than come with the wet/dry contraptions they sell.


20 gallon sump with refugium before, and during operation.
http://www.fishforum.com/userpix/47_20sumpnew_1.jpg http://www.fishforum.com/userpix/47_20sump_1.jpg

onefish2fish 01-22-2009 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SKAustin (Post 165732)
you should make your own. much more cost effective

100% true.

i personally would split the plumbing.
(starting from the left or right side in this order) skimmer, bubble trap, return, baffle (or bubble trap) refuge.

SKAustin 01-22-2009 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onefish2fish (Post 165734)
i personally would split the plumbing.
(starting from the left or right side in this order) skimmer, bubble trap, return, baffle (or bubble trap) refuge.

Yes, I agree, and there is a very good reason for this suggestion. The Refugium needs much less flow then does the system allow. By splitting the incomming line, and adding a gate valve to the refugium inlet, you allow a slower flow to the Refugium with minimal effect on the total flow of the system. Additionally, the skimmer will not be effectively skimming out foods necessary for the managery of life in the Fuge.


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