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kritas 10-24-2008 07:01 PM

Green Tree Frog
ATM, i'm being torn between amphibians, and fish. I recently acquired an 80G tank(4 foot), and am deciding to make it into either a frog habitat, or a tropical fish water habitat...
Maybe it's possible to do both in the same tank? Like some sort of Biotope?
YEAH! That would be really neat! I'm just not sure whether thats do-able or not...

Someone point me in the right direction please?

I'm definitely going to be getting Red eyed greed tree frogs either way, and if they don't end up going in the 4footer, ill house them in a modified 10G aquarium tank extended upwards...

For fish i'm thinking maybe a few Danios, not sure really what else... I'll probably dedicate 1/4-1/3 of the tank to the fish, and the other 2/3-3/4 to the frogs...

onefish2fish 10-24-2008 10:17 PM

i LOVE red eyed tree frogs. they are sweet.

however, im unsure of the pollutants that will get into the water from pee,poop and whatever mucus is on their skin. i think it can be done, but you may have to up your water changes, as in the wild it works because you have so much water for dillution to pollution

onefish2fish 10-24-2008 10:18 PM

if you do choose to go for it, what are you planning on using as substrate in and out of the water?

kritas 10-25-2008 12:18 AM

I don't know, I was thinking of just putting soil, but then i realised, in and out of water will get very muddy. Can u recommend a substrate that will look natural and still be safe?

Maybe a bag of eco-complete will do the job... Nice dark colours and i'm pretty sure it wont make the water muddy...

Yeah I know bout water changes... I plan on 3 times a week, shouldn't be a hassle cause its only round 25-30G of water in the tank... so around 5G will get changed out every second day or so...

onefish2fish 10-25-2008 12:21 AM

yes, muddy indeed.

im unsure, ive always wanted to do something similiar but never went about doing it.

a black sand might work.

kritas 10-25-2008 12:33 AM

Black Sand sounds very good, thanks for the idea

iamntbatman 10-25-2008 02:02 AM

I would avoid the sand, as the frogs may accidentally eat it. If I were doing a setup like this, I would silicone in an acrylic divider that would go up as high as you want the water level to be. Aquarium substrate of your choice and water goes in one side, then fill the other side with gravel or whatever you want that looks nice when viewed from the side. On top of that, I would do a layer of bark substrate for reptiles. It'll look nice, the frogs won't be able to eat it if it's large enough pieces, and if it gets tracked into your water it won't make a huge mess and would be easy to remove. You could then use driftwood or something to give easy access in and out of the water should the frogs decide to take a swim.

You could even use a canister filter to both act as a filter and to create a waterfall from the land side into the water. That'd be really cool.

kritas 10-25-2008 06:11 PM

Yeah I was going to do a little waterfall running all over the tank, so I can make a couple of moist caves and whatnot for the frogs... Although I was thinking of using a HOB filter for some stupid reason hehe... Forgot that the same is do-able with a canister, with added filtration...

Can you reccomend a few fish that the frog won't try to eat? I want a few fish in there, its about 30G of water im doing, and btw I already have the aquarium divider for the water in there hehe, but what type of fish would thrive in this kind of setup?

I went out and bought around $40 worth of driftwood, fairly decently sized pieces, which im going to silicone and nail together to make a tree type habitat.
I was thinking of going with Pine bark for the substrate, just can't find it in a black-brown colour. I love how it makes the colours on the creatures will pop.

One more question...
Can I house a stinkpot, and red eyed green tree frogs together in an 80G tank? Where the frogs have an upper layer to escape to, with their little caves and tree like habitat and whatnot, and the stinkpot has the middle section coming up off the water...

Sorry for all the questions...:-P (no he isn't......)

adavisus 10-27-2008 05:33 AM

Tree frogs have very simple requirements, they like a high roost, moderate temperatures, clean water and a steady supply of fast food preferably things that fly and wiggle. that's about it.

Should it be an aquarium with fish in it, they will huddle not far from the strip light, hoping something will flutter about then they will go berserk trying to catch and swallow it.

Once 'pon a time a baby tree frog found its way into the house, it sits among a few trays for tropical waterlilies in the house or on a shelf in the window, once in a while takes a dip in the lily tubs. A pretty little ornament and a fly swat...

Take care there are no sharp surfaces like sharp glass edges, spikey plants or surfaces that they might injure themselves on when they are in the mood to leap about

Regards, andy

iamntbatman 10-28-2008 01:26 PM

I'm not entirely sure so don't take my word for it, but I'm not sure the frogs would be too interested in trying to eat the fish. I've tried to feed my frogs and toad live blackworms placed into their water dish, but they never ate them even though the worms were wiggling around.

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