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JAYAONLINE 05-24-2013 12:17 PM

Are my Honey Gourami's male and female?
 
Hi, I have just bought these two Honey Gourami's from my LFS and I'm wondering whether they are male and/or female? Fish 1 wouldn't keep still so I have several shots of him/ her.

Fish 1:
http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7c9a86a1.jpg

http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/...psf4b798c5.jpg

http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/...ps19722111.jpg


Fish 2:
http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/...ps087cfe16.jpg

Also here is a video of them both if the pictures aren't clear enough:

Are my Honey Gourami's male and female? - YouTube

fish monger 05-24-2013 01:13 PM

My best guess from the photos is that you have two females. I say that because I don't see any real difference in the dorsal and anal fins. Usually, males will have longer, pointier fins in those areas.

JAYAONLINE 05-24-2013 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fish monger (Post 2138529)
My best guess from the photos is that you have two females. I say that because I don't see any real difference in the dorsal and anal fins. Usually, males will have longer, pointier fins in those areas.

Hi, doesn't fish 2 have a pointed dorsal fin? More so than fish 1 anyway?

fish monger 05-24-2013 01:53 PM

I don't see anything obvious. I could be wrong. A lot depends on the age and maturity. Typically, the male dorsal and anal fins will be farther down the tail fin than that of the female.

jaysee 05-24-2013 02:15 PM

It was really difficult to tell by the pics and video... At least on my phone it was.


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JAYAONLINE 05-24-2013 06:35 PM

Clearer Images
 
Here are a few clearer images if this helps - I believe Fish 1 is female and I think fish 2 is male am I correct?


Fish 1:

http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/...ps78be1621.jpg

http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9528adba.jpg

http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/...ps26da4332.png

Pair:

http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/...psb4e6f91b.jpg

http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/...psdd0030f7.jpg

Fish 2:

http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/...ps67ea0894.jpg

http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/...ps765ea8bb.png

http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/...pse3dc9384.jpg

jaysee 05-25-2013 07:30 AM

I would say that you are correct - there is a noticeable difference between the two.

Byron 05-25-2013 08:12 AM

I think they are the same, but whether male or female I can't tell.

As it notes in our profile, the difference between male and female in this species is not the fins (which are basically the same) but size (in mature fish females are a bit larger) and colour (males more intense). I don't see any difference in either trait here.

To the video, this could be instructive if the fish were not stressed, but their erratic swimming indicates they have not settled down yet so their interactive behaviours are not showing. Two females would probably not interact much at all; two males certainly would, and a pair would make that obvious. But they are under some stress and fish under stress rarely exhibit normal interactive behaviours.

I'm assuming they are new additions to the tank, hence their stress. One thing I would certainly do is get some floating plants; all gourami must have a cover of floating plants, and this will calm them much faster. Water Sprite is ideal for this, but some stem plants allowed to float also work well.

Byron.

JAYAONLINE 05-25-2013 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Byron (Post 2144697)
I think they are the same, but whether male or female I can't tell.

As it notes in our profile, the difference between male and female in this species is not the fins (which are basically the same) but size (in mature fish females are a bit larger) and colour (males more intense). I don't see any difference in either trait here.

To the video, this could be instructive if the fish were not stressed, but their erratic swimming indicates they have not settled down yet so their interactive behaviours are not showing. Two females would probably not interact much at all; two males certainly would, and a pair would make that obvious. But they are under some stress and fish under stress rarely exhibit normal interactive behaviours.

I'm assuming they are new additions to the tank, hence their stress. One thing I would certainly do is get some floating plants; all gourami must have a cover of floating plants, and this will calm them much faster. Water Sprite is ideal for this, but some stem plants allowed to float also work well.

Byron.

Thanks for your help and advise, I will give them a few more days for them to settle down then I shall create another video. Whilst I was at my LFS, one was slightly darker than the other which is kind of noticeable in the 'pair photos' (see post #6).

Regards to floating plants, I currently have two Anacharis floating at the top of the aquarium. It is difficult to find water sprite or any other floating plants in any of my LFS as they hardly stock them.

Bongox3 05-25-2013 09:00 AM

Very beautiful fish...and love the planted tank...+1 for floating plants...gouramis spend a great deal of time breathing at the surface and are largely found in swamp areas where surface vegetation is abundant ...it provides them not only shelter from predators but a sense of natural habitat....also, my eye are kinda bad these days, but are we sure those are honeys? oh, maybe flame honeys!!! Nice!!! Regardless, very pretty!!! :-D. Ok, and lastly, keep in mind plants are temp sensitive too...anacharis tends to do well in less than tropical climates...ok, best wishes, best regards, and well done! -mike


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