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ilovecarljohn 09-24-2008 05:17 PM

Help 2 dead 1 missing 1 sick help!
My poor fish the other day i looked in my fish tank and 1 of my 3 gold fish
was dead. i had got it resently but it was behaving ok... later another gold fish dead.. the weird thing is neither showed any change in behavior and they did not have a single mark on them.... then my female batta just disapeared no sign of her or any fishy remains... nnow i have another sick gold fish but this one is showing signs i seperated it right away but this gold fish has been in my tank for around a month and was growing well and now red splotches all over it what is wrong with it and why did the others die/dissapear with no signs of illness???

ilovecarljohn 09-24-2008 05:25 PM

here is my tank info

10 gallonns
fresh water
2 months
4 fanncy guppies 3 guppie sword crosses 2 gold fish a betta
no live plants
room temperature
wisper filter
no co2 unit
dose receive nnatural sun light
no water change tank is very clean
a mix of tropical flackes and betta flakes 2 times a day
all nantural lighting
i tested the water the other day water is slightly high on nitrite and amonia and veryhigh on nitrate but i treated it.
liquid test kit
i last bought a fish a week ago annd it behaved like all other gold fish

ilovecarljohn 09-24-2008 06:19 PM

Little-Fizz 09-24-2008 09:08 PM

I'm not really sure what this is but its probably not a good idea to keep your gold fish with your tropical fish. They are cold water and all your other fish require a heater.

Can you post your actual water parameters?

Edit: Gold fish require a much bigger tank then a ten gallon. I'm no expert on goldies but I would say thats a comet and they get huge. They are better off in ponds, or a bigger fish's belly?

iamntbatman 09-24-2008 11:58 PM

You cannot maintain a fish tank without water changes unless you've got some sort of nitrate removing filter or huge amounts of live plants and very little fish. Even then, water changes are essential now and then to replenish trace elements. You cannot simply "treat" the tank for high nitrate - you've got to do water changes. I would do about 25% a week, possibly more since you've got the tank pretty heavily stocked. The goldfish should be in their own coldwater tank and you should have a heater for the other fish as they're all tropical.

What do you mean by "slightly high" ammonia and nitrite and very high nitrate? A cycled tank shouldn't have any ammonia or nitrite unless there's something wrong, or if the tank is stocked way beyond the ability of the biological filter to process the waste. I'm leaning towards that option since you've got those goldfish, which are basically swimming waste factories. Your ammonia and nitrite should always be zero, and your nitrate should be kept below 40 ppm at all times, ideally under 20 ppm.

ilovecarljohn 09-25-2008 09:50 AM

i will take the advise givin in to consideration but i am fairly certain that there is some type of illnness that my gold fish has and i need to finnd out what it is so i can treat the poor thing and from there i cann work onn the over crouding issues but there is no reson to get another tank if they are all going to die from what ever the red spots are... i have the gold fish seperate but it could have already gave what ever it is to my other fishys...

Age of Aquariums 09-25-2008 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by Little-Fizz
They are better off in ponds, or a bigger fish's belly?

Even regular goldfish should have at least a 55 gallon tank, larger goldfish need at least a 100 gallon pond.

1077 09-25-2008 11:35 AM

Too many fishies,too much food, too much poo poo, no water changes,= sick fishies. no follow advice= dead fishies. :roll:

willow 09-25-2008 02:25 PM

hello there.
what a very sad situation you have there,
you have the wrong combination of fish for a start.
Goldfish need a tank as said brfore of at least 55glns
that gold fish had the capability of growing to 14-16 is suffering from sceptisemia(sp) and the out look is poor,if not fatal. :(
they make a lot of mess,so a 10glln is not suitable for Goldfish.
the other fish are tropical,and need to be in a heated tank.the tank needs a filter,and the tank would need to be cycled.
here is a link to give you the information you need.
water changes are more important than you realise(don't mean to sound rude there).
you can turn this situation around and have a better time of fish keeping,
just need to follow a few guidelines.

ilovecarljohn 09-25-2008 04:36 PM

thanks for the link it elaborated on what my dad told me about the cycle however i did not realize that the water changes were so important seems my dad dose water changes like once ever 3 months or so and he has a 30 gallon and my friend has a 20 gallon with 4 huge comet gold fish 4 neontetras 3 or 4 of these other fish i am not sure what they are but they are about the size of a mature sword and a 5 or 6 inch alogia eater and she dose not do water changes... i bought the fish i have because i like to see the colors and they are all hardy fish that i have had in fish bowls before... all of my fish as of now are behaving normal and the tank parameters are doing good now the only problem that is still ongoing is the red on my gold fish wich seems it may have got slightly worse over night and it is separate from all the other fish so i no it is not being exsposed to what ever caused it any more... so now i need to find out what it is causing this fish to have the spots i have included pictures if any on can tell me if it looks like a parasite disease or what ever...

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