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ara35 08-18-2008 12:07 PM

stocking for a 30 gallon... overstocked??
i have a 15 gallon now and since im moving to a new place, i want to upgrade to a 30. the only fish im keeping are the 5 bronze cories. i want the following stocking scheme. let me know any suggestions.

- 1 angelfish
- 5 kuhli loaches
- 5 bronze cories
- 8 lemon tetras
- 2 bolivian rams

iamntbatman 08-18-2008 03:10 PM

Not sure about the angelfish, since the 30 gallon is only 16 or so inches tall and the angelfish is a very tall fish. It's usually recommended to have a tank with a minimum height of 18 inches for an angelfish.

Were the two rams going to be a pair? If so, you might run into problems when/if they breed, as they'll get quite aggressive and a tank that size is a little lacking in areas for the other fish to hide. If they're the same sex, they might not get along with one another.

I think in a 30 gallon you would be alright if you switched the angel out for a similar fish that doesn't get quite as tall, like a keyhole cichlid or festivum. Both are peaceful cichlids. You could probably also get away with swapping out one of the rams for another type of dwarf cichlid in order to avoid the problems you'd face by having two rams. An apistogramma of some sort or a kribensis cichlid would work.

ara35 08-18-2008 08:57 PM

anyone else??

ara35 08-19-2008 12:13 AM

if i've had 50 views... why cant a couple more people just give a short answer

okiemavis 08-19-2008 12:28 AM

People probably aren't giving you an answer because they aren't familiar with the fish you want to stock. Many people visit this site and read as much as they can to learn, but aren't necessarily very experienced. Also, you'll notice that many people who view this site have not yet registered, so they can't easily make a quick response.

I would agree with batman that the two bolivian rams wouldn't work in the 30G, especially with an angel. All 3 are territorial fish and they will fight.

I disagree that swapping out for another dwarf cichlid would work. While it would avoid the problem of two rams pairing up and breeding (thereby making them very territorial), most apistos and kribs are more territorial than rams.

Also, you've got a very crowded bottom- the rams, kuhlis & cories are all bottom dwellers. Why not look at some top dwellers like hatchetfish?

ara35 08-19-2008 12:32 AM

so the idea your saying is the following
angel fish
and hatchets or hatchets instead of lemons.

also would black skirt tetras be an option as they would match the angel fish.

okiemavis 08-19-2008 12:36 AM

I don't keep angels, so I'm not one to say, but I would worry about the angel outgrowing a 30G as they get quite tall. Hopefully someone else can answer that better.

Black skirts wouldn't work with angels as they are quite nippy and would shred your angel's fins. Lemon tetras or any other non-nippy tetra will work just fine though.

ara35 08-19-2008 12:38 AM

it would work to have kuhlis and cories though right? 5 of each

SheyFirestar 08-19-2008 03:16 AM

neither are aggressive and should be fine with each other. just make sure the kuhlis have lots of hiding places. its funny but the more hiding places you have the more youll see them. my 29 gal now has 3 caves 3 peices of driftwood and a few other ornaments and some low grasses dwarf hair and micro swords and 4 out of 5 of my loaches hardly hide now.

i dont have any experience with the other fish youve got listed there. but angels get big. ive heard even if they are only 6-8 inches long they can be like 10 or 12 inches tall.

okiemavis 08-19-2008 11:29 AM

Yeah, the kuhlis and the cories will be a-ok. Although personally I'd up it to 6 of each, cuz the bigger the group, the happier they are.

Also, what sort of substrate are you planning? Cories and kuhlis do best on sand, so they don't hurt the barbs on their noses.

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