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mikedb1972 08-03-2008 06:04 PM

Newbie Question (Feeding Question)
 
i have added a clown to the tank, and now i am having issues with feeding.
when i put the feed into the tank, the water circulation is so strong the food is sucked into the sump before he eats its,

mu question is what everyone does on the feeding issue, do i need to stop the water flow while feeding, i wouldnt think i should. i have two food types, one is the flake food, and the other is a brine shrimp block.

thanks for any help you can provide, being my first SW tank i am unsure how to handle this issue.

Pasfur 08-03-2008 06:13 PM

At first i was confused, but i think you have an overflow system? yes?

Here is the solution. Hold the flake food underwater, allow it to become saturated, and then release the food. This will prevent it from floating to the surface.

mikedb1972 08-03-2008 06:22 PM

thanks
 
i am sorry i should have said something about my setup, i do have the overflow setup. i did try the holding the brime shrimp under water, but as soon as i let go, it floated straight to the top and to the overflow.

i have alot of water current in the tank and the flake food doesnt stand a chance even after it gets wet. i did get some shrimp pellets and they settle to the bottom, but the clown wont touch them. but if i put a cube of the brime shrimp in, he acts like he is starving to death.

i will keep trying for tonight, but i will have to figure out how to manage for future feeedings.
thanks

a little about my tank, 55g with wet/dry filter setup with heater, large sump pump. approx 50# LR, last water check yesterday ph8.2, salinity 31, nitrate 20, nitrite 0, amon 0, temp 79.5

Pasfur 08-03-2008 07:07 PM

Re: thanks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikedb1972
a little about my tank, 55g with wet/dry filter setup with heater, large sump pump. approx 50# LR, last water check yesterday ph8.2, salinity 31, nitrate 20, nitrite 0, amon 0, temp 79.5

Actually, a more interesting question is this... Why do you have a wet/dry setup on a marine aquarium with live rock? This is basically the equivalent of tying bricks to the feet of a swimmer wearing a life jacket. You might eliminate your nitrate problem simply by removing the biomedia, which i would personally do immediately. As in now. Yes, this very second. Just take out the bioballs. Why are you still reading? go go go ....

mikedb1972 08-03-2008 07:21 PM

really confused
 
i must say that i am seriously confused, this is the first staement from anyone in the past 3 months that have mentioned anything about the setup i have, i went through the setup questions all on the forefront, the who what and where stuff, and now i have my setup wrong, dont get me wrong, i am not doubting it, i just find it strange that now after months into this, and after having the tank setup for a month, i find out the bioballs is wrong.

if this is true, then i am lost because what other filtration do i have other than the bioballs. and as far the nitrate Problem, i didnt realize it was a problem, since it was under the 40 that i was told was a safe limit.


i just need verification on this, cause i have alot of money, time and patience already invested. do i need to remove the bioballs, or not, and i still have the feeding issue at hand, does anyone else have a suggestion

i am unsure if this will work, but i am gonna try and post a image here of my setuphttp://www.fishforum.com/userpix/8366_55a_1.jpg

Pasfur 08-03-2008 08:59 PM

I am very sorry that you have reached this point in your setup. It is an extreme misfortune that you were not told prior to now that bioballs are a 1980's method of filtration. I do not understand how this is possible, and I sincerely hope it was not this forum that suggested you use biomedia.

I am going to assume that you have a deep understanding of aquarium chemistry in the following explanation. If you need more details, just ask.

Biomedia causes Nitrate buildup. Nitrates are detrimental in a marine aquarium. They need to be kept under 20ppm for most systems, and the closer to zero the better.

What you should strive for is a complete removal of organics from the system. This is achieved with protein skimming. The live rock is an extremely effective biofilter, in that it breaks down organic waste completely, into Nitrogen Gas, which leaves the system naturally and is non toxic.

Additionally, a deep sand bed of 3'' minimum, preferably 4'', is very effective at removing any additional Nitrates which remain in the system.

The basic concept of marine aquarium filtration is missing from your aquarium. You are intentionally causing Nitrates to climb, which can only be removed by very large water changes.

Your future success can be achieved simply by removing the bioballs and purchasing an adequate skimmer. When i have more time tomorrow i will post a few skimmer options for you. It should not be an expensive process.

iamntbatman 08-04-2008 01:40 AM

I could be wrong here, but if you're using an overflow with a wet/dry, couldn't it be possible to convert the wet/dry to a sump/refugium with more live rock and and use your skimmer down there?

It looks like your aquarium is very lightly stocked so this might not be essential now, but the extra filtration would likely be beneficial if you end up wanting to stock more fish, inverts and/or coral.

In the meantime though, losing the bioballs and getting a good skimmer will definitely keep those nitrates down.

As for the feeding issue: are you tossing the frozen brine shrimp cubes directly into the water? One cube is more than one clownfish can handle, so you might want to try cutting the cube up and thawing pieces of it in some of your tank water. Thawing the shrimp will be better for your fish but it should also keep it from floating and thus getting sucked into your overflow.

Pasfur 08-04-2008 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iamntbatman
I could be wrong here, but if you're using an overflow with a wet/dry, couldn't it be possible to convert the wet/dry to a sump/refugium with more live rock and and use your skimmer down there?

It looks like your aquarium is very lightly stocked so this might not be essential now, but the extra filtration would likely be beneficial if you end up wanting to stock more fish, inverts and/or coral.

In the meantime though, losing the bioballs and getting a good skimmer will definitely keep those nitrates down.

Exactly my thoughts. You have plenty of live rock to filter your aquarium without biomedia. No problem at all. I would like to see you add more depth to your sand bed, to aid in denitrification.

Here are some skimmer ideas, which would work in the sump:

I have no experience with this one, but the design looks functional and the price is great:
http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/240204/product.web

This model is one of the best and would be my choice:
http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/238886/product.web

Another inexpensive functional skimmer:
http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/236419/product.web

These options can all upgrade to larger aquariums and are very capable of handling a full blown reef if you upgrade in the future.

Pasfur 08-04-2008 05:35 PM

Here is an eBay steal on the Berlin model:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Berlin-Protien-S...QQcmdZViewItem

And another:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Red-Sea-Berlin-S...QQcmdZViewItem

CSFishtank546 05-30-2010 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikedb1972 (Post 136061)
i have added a clown to the tank, and now i am having issues with feeding.
when i put the feed into the tank, the water circulation is so strong the food is sucked into the sump before he eats its,

mu question is what everyone does on the feeding issue, do i need to stop the water flow while feeding, i wouldnt think i should. i have two food types, one is the flake food, and the other is a brine shrimp block.

thanks for any help you can provide, being my first SW tank i am unsure how to handle this issue.

You should try getting pellet food instead of flakes - this is higher quality and will not get sucked up so easily.


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