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AbbeysDad 04-30-2013 08:57 PM

I think my Angels spawned
 
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I bought the pair from the same tank at the LFS. They were the only two marble with 6 other black lace's. They have grown considerably since I got them. I did/do not know if they are a mated pair and if the eggs are fertilized (will Angels lay eggs if there's no male?)
They were always very friendly in the community, but now they a guarding these white specs very aggressively. They seem to hover about them as though they're fanning the eggs.

I've had more than my share of live bearers, but this is new to me so some research is required.

Boredomb 04-30-2013 09:58 PM

Angels will only lay eggs when a breeding has taken place. So you have male in there and my guess it is one of the 2 guarding the eggs. These are cichlids after all and like most they tend to get aggressive around there eggs. I can't say if these are a mated pair yet but my understanding is that it generally takes Angels a couple of breedings to get it right. So I wouldn't execpt babies out of this round. So if they keep breeding I would say they are but it could be a one time thing.

jaysee 04-30-2013 10:35 PM

My female convict lays eggs without a male present, and I have heard of other species of cichlids doing the same. Even 2 females laying eggs together and protecting them together.

Boredomb 04-30-2013 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jaysee (Post 1931954)
My female convict lays eggs without a male present, and I have heard of other species of cichlids doing the same. Even 2 females laying eggs together and protecting them together.

Hmmm well maybe I am/was wrong...

FishyFishy89 04-30-2013 11:45 PM

I have seen a female angel lay eggs and then attempt to get a discus fertilize them xD

MoneyMitch 05-01-2013 04:09 PM

wheres Tolak when you need him

Captain Jim Dandy 05-01-2013 04:31 PM

Right where's Tolak, but the tan color of those eggs is a good sign.

MoneyMitch 05-01-2013 04:59 PM

I do belive that its best to take the parents away from the eggs

Tolak 05-01-2013 05:03 PM

In the absence of a male occasionally two females will spawn. Once in a while you'll get a threesome, angels like to swing that way. If there is minimal white eggs, and they are that light tan color for a few days you do have a pair. Around day 3 you should see wigglers, by day 6-7 they'll be swimmers. Once they're wigglers the parent's may move them, so if they disappear keep an eye on any new area the pair may be hanging around.

New pairs often take a few spawns to get the hang of it, and some pairs never get to the parent raising part. With the inbreeding & line breeding methods used to get the various phenotypes the parent raising instinct has been somewhat bred out. Don't be disappointed if they eat the spawn, wigglers or swimmers. If you haven't hatched baby brine shrimp before now is the time to get those supplies together, but since you mentioned raising livebearers I'm assuming this is something you're familiar with.

If you get them to parent raise the first spawn, or any spawn for that matter you've got a good pair. Fry that were parent raised tend to be parent raisers themselves when they mature. The parents are a lot better at culling then we could ever be, they've been doing it much longer. Try to keep activity around the tank to a minimum, commotion will often spook the parents, and the spawn becomes a snack. There's many books written on breeding angels, one of the best online resources for getting started is Breeding Angelfish

AbbeysDad 05-01-2013 10:01 PM

Well it was not my intention to breed them...or live bearers either. I bred live bearers in the 70's, but never egg layers. In those days I hatched brine shrimp in gallon jars.

These two are odd. I bought them together, I presume from the same brood, although as I mentioned, they were the only two marbles in a tank with several other black lace. Anyway, when I bought them they were both between the size of a nickle and a quarter. They both have grown, but one is nearly twice the size of the other.
The larger of the two is the greater protector of the eggs. If another fish comes to close, he will turn horizontal and chase it away at great speed. S/He breaks off after the fish is sufficiently out of the area. Fortunately the plant where the eggs are laid is in the right back corner (60g), so they can have their space without as much disruption to the other fish as if, say, it was in the middle of the tank.

I'll just let it all play out and see what happens. I'm not convinced yet the eggs are fertilized and in addition to fanning them with their fins, here and there the angels are doing a little pecking at them so I don't know if they'll make it even if they are fertilized.


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