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Dekz 07-18-2008 01:30 PM

Would this be overstocked?
 
This is my final plan for my 20 gallon, would this be too much?

Right now it has 3 Zebra Danios in it as it is cycling, once it's done I would like to add:

1 Sunset Variatus Platy
1 Neon Rainbowfish
4 Corys (not sure which kind yet)
8 Neon Tetras

Too much?

qpc68 07-18-2008 02:06 PM

With the zebra danios I'd say yes. Without I'd say no. Either way your flirting right on the line.

PDXfishy 07-18-2008 02:08 PM

Re: Would this be overstocked?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dekz
This is my final plan for my 20 gallon, would this be too much?

Right now it has 3 Zebra Danios in it as it is cycling, once it's done I would like to add:

1 Sunset Variatus Platy
1 Neon Rainbowfish
4 Corys (not sure which kind yet)
8 Neon Tetras

Too much?

Not overstocked, but neon rainbowfish are group fish and platies should be kept 1M2F. Your danios are shoal fish and should be kept accordingly, especially after doing the dirty work of cycling for you.

Also, the tetras like very soft and acidic water, whereas platies need hard and alkaline environments. Here is what I would recommend:

1. Skip the rainbowfish (you don't have space for a group of them).

2. Take 6 cories of ONE species.

Depending on your water, take

3a. 8 tetras, or

3b. a gang of platies

4. Add 3 more danios. They will not disturb the less lively other fish as they usually zoom around right under the surface. Zebra danios are *very* nice fish, and a shoal of them is just beautiful.

Good luck! :D

Dekz 07-19-2008 03:38 AM

Re: Would this be overstocked?
 
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Originally Posted by PDXfishy
Not overstocked, but neon rainbowfish are group fish and platies should be kept 1M2F. Your danios are shoal fish and should be kept accordingly, especially after doing the dirty work of cycling for you.

I don't want a group of rainbowfish, I only want 1, same for the platy. I know certain fish might prefer to have a group/shoal but really, what's the worst that could happen if I bought one of these?

Pasfur 07-19-2008 06:10 AM

Re: Would this be overstocked?
 
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Originally Posted by Dekz
Quote:

Originally Posted by PDXfishy
Not overstocked, but neon rainbowfish are group fish and platies should be kept 1M2F. Your danios are shoal fish and should be kept accordingly, especially after doing the dirty work of cycling for you.

I don't want a group of rainbowfish, I only want 1, same for the platy. I know certain fish might prefer to have a group/shoal but really, what's the worst that could happen if I bought one of these?

You're taking the wrong approach to this hobby. You should be asking, what is the best that could happen? If you keep 1 platy and 1 rainbow, at best they will live. You will miss out on everything fun about keeping fish. You will never see the intense colors that come out in your fish when kept in a natural environment which encourages proper behavior and growth. Additionally, the stress of not being kept with others of their kind makes the fish more prone to disease.

When you come into an online fishkeeping community, it is assumed that you are asking for help because you are interested in creating the proper aquatic environment for long term success in the hobby. If you just want a bowl of water, you are in the wrong place.

PDXfishy 07-19-2008 01:16 PM

Excellent post, Pasfur, I second every word. Keeping living creatures is a great responsibility. If one decides to keep fish, the first question must be "What do my fish need?" not "What do I want?"

Kim 07-19-2008 04:28 PM

I agree 100% with the previous posts. When I was younger, I thought that I would just get one of every fish that I liked and they would do "just fine". Now that I have re-entered the hobby I know that the most beautiful fish tank is one with happy, compatable fish kept in a natural environment. When this is achieved, you will be delighted with watching the vibrant colors and natural behaviors of your fish. Plus, you will have less disease and premature fish deaths. Really, fish are pets too and their happiness and health should always come before your own wants. If you are not prepared to do this, then get a snomobile, boat, car, etc. instead, as this is not the hobby for you.

okiemavis 07-19-2008 06:41 PM

With a few adjustments, that stocking should be just fine.

The thing that will happen if you just keep one rainbow, is that you'll *never* see it, as it will be too scared to come out. It will be stressed and more prone to illness as well (especially if it doesn't have a place to hide). There are lots of other fish that can be kept as individuals. Why not replace the rainbow with a single Bolivian ram?

The platy should be just fine on its own. The 1m to 2f ratio is to prevent having more males than females. The males have a tendency to harass the females, so you need more females to spread out the aggression. With a single platy it doesn't matter and will avoid overstocking problems from them breeding.

I'd recommend replacing the neon tetras with cardinal tetras. They're almost identical, but unlike the neons, they won't loose their stripe and coloration when they age. They're a bit pricier but worth it IMHO.

qpc68 07-19-2008 08:41 PM

I'm pretty new here and not one to (usually) step on toes. But, at the risk of alienating myself and eliminating any chance of future help, I have to say to Kim, PDX, and Pasfur, if the guy wants to keep a swimming pool filled with guppies and a 12 foot crocodile with an over-eating disorder, what business is it of yours? As long as he's not poisoning these fish or dropping them in a trash can at a gas station what's the problem. Dude's going to make mistakes, he's going to learn from them. I'm sure each of you NEVER made any mistakes when entering this H-O-B-B-Y, but not all of us are perfectionists like you three. If you want to give the guy advice, fantastic. If you want to make suggestions, awesome. But when you pull this "I'm smarter than you so do what I tell you" routine and tell the guy he should give up the hobby (what??) because you don't like the way he's operating...well it's pretty damn lame.
Specifically to PDX...If your not in this hobby for yourself than what the hell's the point? I agree there should be a balance and you need to take care of your fish. But give me a break. If you care more about fish than yourself, well that says a lot.
I know it's a lot to ask, keeping your ego and morals to yourselves. But if you are not prepared to do this than you should start learning how fish communicate instead, as this is not the fish keepers morality hour...it's a guy asking a fairly simple question.
Peace

Dekz

Do what you do man. If you F up, learn from it and give it another shot.

qpc68 07-19-2008 08:51 PM

I do agree wtih okiemavis. You'll want at least 3 of those rainbows. The Bolivian Ram is a good choice.


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