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1hitu 04-26-2013 07:35 PM

Hi Im new here and im a beginner
 
hi i have jst bought my first tank and im not sure how big it is and i bought 8 fish 1 angelfish and 3 small goldfish (they r supposed to grow ) and 4 fishes idk their name they r always small with silver color and with a line of a color either blue , yellow , green , pink , dark blue or red .

but those silver fish keep on fin nipping my angel fish and she's always swimming at the top of the tank at corner when the tank's light are on what am i supposed to do get another angelfish for it to have company or what idk tbh .


and i wanted to know how long does it take take a goldfish to grow ?

djembekah 04-26-2013 09:49 PM

Welcome to TFK!

Can you try and find out how big your tank is? That's really important. Also, try finding out what kind of fish those silver fish are. Without that info, I can't really give you advice on them.

Unfortunately I have bad news. Angelfish cant really be kept as singles. Angelfish are shoaling fish, and that means they need to be kept in a group. Also, they need to be kept in quite large tanks in order to be kept in a group. 55 gallons or bigger for a group of 5-6. bigger tanks will allow you to keep more angels.

Another problem in your tank is the goldfish/angelfish combination. Angelfish are tropical, and therefore need water between like 72 and 78 degrees. Most goldfish need cooler water. Fancy goldfish need a little bit warmer water than comet and common goldfish. But I'm guessing your goldfish were from the feeder tank, and that would make them common or comet goldfish.

Goldfish also need quite large tanks. Common and comet goldfish need a lot of room- around 45-55 gallons per fish, and are usually regarded as pond fish for that reason. Even the smallest fancy goldfish, though, need 20 gallons per fish, with 10 gallons more for each additional individual. Some fancies require even more space than that due to size.

Goldfish can grow very fast when in a proper tank, and with proper food.

Hopefully we can straighten out your situation, and again, welcome to the forum!

SeaHorse 04-27-2013 12:52 AM

Hi 1hitu. Welcome to TFK.
Can you tell us the length x width x height? We'll tell you what size your tank is and we can go from there.

ZivaD 04-27-2013 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djembekah (Post 1887353)
Welcome to TFK!

Can you try and find out how big your tank is? That's really important. Also, try finding out what kind of fish those silver fish are. Without that info, I can't really give you advice on them.

Unfortunately I have bad news. Angelfish cant really be kept as singles. Angelfish are shoaling fish, and that means they need to be kept in a group. Also, they need to be kept in quite large tanks in order to be kept in a group. 55 gallons or bigger for a group of 5-6. bigger tanks will allow you to keep more angels.

Another problem in your tank is the goldfish/angelfish combination. Angelfish are tropical, and therefore need water between like 72 and 78 degrees. Most goldfish need cooler water. Fancy goldfish need a little bit warmer water than comet and common goldfish. But I'm guessing your goldfish were from the feeder tank, and that would make them common or comet goldfish.

Goldfish also need quite large tanks. Common and comet goldfish need a lot of room- around 45-55 gallons per fish, and are usually regarded as pond fish for that reason. Even the smallest fancy goldfish, though, need 20 gallons per fish, with 10 gallons more for each additional individual. Some fancies require even more space than that due to size.

Goldfish can grow very fast when in a proper tank, and with proper food.

Hopefully we can straighten out your situation, and again, welcome to the forum!

This hit on most of my thoughts - to find the size of your tank, if you can provide the dimensions and shape of your tank we can help you calculate the volume of it.

One concern I have that I have not seen mentioned yet is that you say you "just bought" your new tank - did you purchase, set up and add fish immediately or did you go through the cycling process to establish a healthy bacteria population? This is especially concerning to me as you have some very "dirty" (heavy bio-load) fish in your goldfish.
Ultimately, the population you have now is incompatible even without knowing what the other fish are (though determining that is important - posting pictures here might help).
This is a really exciting hobby and it's all too easy to jump in headfirst and get a little sideways at first. I would suggest taking a couple of steps back.
Have you tested your water to determine the base water conditions you have available for fish? (PH, hardness, etc) That will factor into what types of fish are best suited for you to choose from. Then you can start working through that list of fish to find those that fit the tank size you have to offer, are compatible with each other (same temperature range, complimentary activity level, etc) and are most interesting to you. If you did not cycle the tank before adding fish this is a great time to return/rehome the fish you have, start the cycling process and spend the weeks of cycling doing the above work so that when you are ready to start adding fish you will have all the "homework" done.

MoneyMitch 04-27-2013 01:24 PM

there are quite a few unknowns that need to be figured here and many issues that I can see from the info you have provided already. first thing is I would try to get the angel into a different tank or try to take back. you can read more on them in the fish profiles section at the top of the page to see why I suggest moving it out.

there are also some pinned topics in the freshwater aquarium section that would aid you with gaining a better understanding of how stocking and the cycle works. I might even suggest putting up a post there might get more attention for your questions/issues.

here are the direct links to the pinned topics

http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/f...m-cycle-38617/
http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/f...tocking-38626/

P.S Welcome to the forum!!

1hitu 04-27-2013 05:57 PM

well i asked the guy that sold me the tank he said that its 40 liters and i gave back the silver fish and i got 1 more angelfish and 2 cleanfish ( fish that cleans the tank ) and 2 good looking fish i wanna knw how to find out their names , im kindda lost and im trying to build a good community in my tank


i can upload a picture of my tank if u need it to help me

djembekah 04-27-2013 06:08 PM

40 liters is still far to small for the fish you have :/

1hitu 04-27-2013 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZivaD (Post 1889953)
This hit on most of my thoughts - to find the size of your tank, if you can provide the dimensions and shape of your tank we can help you calculate the volume of it.

One concern I have that I have not seen mentioned yet is that you say you "just bought" your new tank - did you purchase, set up and add fish immediately or did you go through the cycling process to establish a healthy bacteria population? This is especially concerning to me as you have some very "dirty" (heavy bio-load) fish in your goldfish.
Ultimately, the population you have now is incompatible even without knowing what the other fish are (though determining that is important - posting pictures here might help).
This is a really exciting hobby and it's all too easy to jump in headfirst and get a little sideways at first. I would suggest taking a couple of steps back.
Have you tested your water to determine the base water conditions you have available for fish? (PH, hardness, etc) That will factor into what types of fish are best suited for you to choose from. Then you can start working through that list of fish to find those that fit the tank size you have to offer, are compatible with each other (same temperature range, complimentary activity level, etc) and are most interesting to you. If you did not cycle the tank before adding fish this is a great time to return/rehome the fish you have, start the cycling process and spend the weeks of cycling doing the above work so that when you are ready to start adding fish you will have all the "homework" done.





well i asked the pet store he told me to put in drinking water and an anti-clorine to it and turn on the filter for 15 mins before adding the fish and then i added my fish if you can tell me wut to do i would appreciate it :D

1hitu 04-27-2013 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djembekah (Post 1895801)
40 liters is still far to small for the fish you have :/

what am i supposed to do ?

and the gold fish i have is pretty small

djembekah 04-27-2013 06:54 PM

These fish all grow. The angelfish will either kill each other as they grow, or they'll become a pair (and that's only if they're male/female, and if they get along). If they're a pair, they'll need about 30 gallons (about 114 liters), and if they aren't, well, they'll need a 55 gallon tank (about 208 liters) and more angelfish to keep the aggression spread around.

Like I said with the goldfish, they're going to get very large, ALTHOUGH: they will stay stunted in a tank like that. the bad news about that is that their organs keep growing, and this severely injures the fish and eventually kills them. I'd return or rehome the little guys into a pond.


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