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McQueen 07-10-2008 02:09 PM

Betta fish deteriorating

I have had my Betta just two weeks, he was very active when i got him, in the last 24 hours he has completely changed. He is in a 7.1US Gallon tank with a filter and heater. He has two cave like houses, which he had hardly been in now he just sits in them moves occasionally from one to the other. Temp is near enough 78.
I can't work out if his beginning to fade in colour, scared its the start of ick, as around his face/mouth seems more white then before.
Was not sure whether it maybe stress, how would i treat this?
I have tested PH and Nitrate both are fine. He currently gets fed pellets 3 times a day, he still eats as normal. He seems to sit in either the caves or in the bottom corner of the tank, very still could be mistaken for dead.
Im very nervous has i have become attachedvery quickly and dont want to kill him. Please send urgent help or suggestions.

ninjaish 07-10-2008 02:19 PM

you could possibly be overfeeding.
if your betta has ick then you will see white spots on his/her body and fins. you say that it has a white mouth, that could possibly be whats called mouth fungus. you can use Melifix to get rid of that and for the ick i would use ick guard by jungle. that is what works best for me :D

JMeenen 07-10-2008 03:03 PM

do you use a water dechlorinator when you change your water?

Kim 07-10-2008 09:19 PM

Have you checked ammonia and nitrite? They are the most dangerous to fish. Did you cycle your tank?

McQueen 07-14-2008 09:41 AM

Fish is still alive, Just. Went to my local pet shop and got some medicine Meth - blue. Has been in there since Friday evening. I am going to do a 30% water change tonight, i have been told i can then put the medicine in again.
Unfortunutly he has gone off his food now, last time he ate was saturday 1 pellet that day at approx 2pm.
How long would he last without food?
I am also doing an ammonia check tonight. Is there anything else i can test for?
I am not sure whether to try blood worm as he does not seem 2 have the energy to eat the pellets.
The temp has remained the same throughout.
My fish has been appeared ill since Thursday night, horrible question but how long would he last if he has not picked up soon?

Kim 07-14-2008 09:58 AM

Test for ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate. If you have not cycled your tank, this could be the result of an ammonia spike. Water changes help with this, and probably couldn't hurt anyway. Is the white on his face "fuzzy" looking? If so, try fungus eliminator by jungle labs. Has he pooped, and does he appear bloated? Could be he is constipated, in which case try a bit of freeze dried daphnia or a pea. Do you use tap water conditioner? If not it could be that there is something toxic in your water. If there are any other symptoms please post them because there is a number of things that it could be. I just wanted to hit on the major ones. Hope this helps.

JMeenen 07-14-2008 10:11 AM

you say you got him 2 weeks ago..he is in a 7.1 Gallon with heater and long did the tank run before you put him ? Did it ever get really cloudy for a while then clear?

McQueen 07-14-2008 10:41 AM

Betta fish deteriorating part 2
My tank was up and working for 2 weeks i had been using a filter start product and had tested nitrate and ph, but it had not had any fish in it before.
He appears to be draining in colour particularly his under belly, i would not discribe as fuzzy though.
He has not pooped for a couple of days but he has hardly eaten.
I have not tested nitrite, will do this ASAP.
If i were to feed him a pea would i need to mush it up, would it need to be cooked?
Thanks you for your quick responses. Nice to know there are people out there that no specifically about betta's.

JMeenen 07-14-2008 11:48 AM

Does he look bloated? A pea in a pinch tehn after switch to Daphnia a more natural scource for Betta fish...Take a frozen pea ..thaw in warm water..squish it out of it's shell..take a tiny piece of it ..feed it to your Betta on the end of a said he is pale ..more so on the there any decorations in the tank that you did not get at a pet store..pottery ..anything like that? Keep doing water changes ..daily for now

McQueen 07-14-2008 02:49 PM

He does not appear bloated, looks same size as when i got him.
Ive got two little house like caves in the tamk both were purchased from a pet shop and were washed throughly with water before putting in tank.
I have done a 30% water change tonight and put in more meth - blue. Should i still do water changes every day, would i need to keep adding medicine?
At the moment he just sits in the dark corner of one of the caves, he is still breathing but has not hardly come up for air today, so i dont think theres any chance of feeding him a pea?
He appears to be hiding in the cave/houses particularly in the dark areas, would this mean his tired?
Still has not eaten anything, im starting to fear the worst is coming.
What else can i do for him?
Temp is still the same. It says not to leave his pellets in the tank for longer than 5 minutes if he does not eat them, is there anything i can leave in the tank while im at work in case he is hungry?

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