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MoneyMitch 04-24-2013 02:51 PM

stock list input plz
 
so im getting ready to switch from Africans to angels and something else... im planning on getting a whoel variety of angles atleast 6-10 of them.. I also want to get some other fish in there too. I was thinking along the lines of dwarf gourami and some rainbows. any toughts?

BWG 04-24-2013 03:32 PM

That sounds like a lot of angelfish for a 55 gallon, even if you're talking P. leopaldi. I'm guessing you mean P. scalare though. Half those numbers seem better to me, but I'll wait for someone that has angels more recently than I have,

Generally it's not recommended to mix cichlids and gouramis. It works for some people, but it's not something I would try.

What kind of rainbowfish? Some species are going to be active enough to bother angelfish.

MoneyMitch 04-24-2013 05:44 PM

looking at the bosami ones, going to overstock this tank purposely

Byron 04-24-2013 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MoneyMitch (Post 1862633)
looking at the bosami ones, going to overstock this tank purposely

Not sure what you may mean by "overstocking." The method used with Mbuna or similar is one thing, but having too many fish (which is what "overstocking" really means) is always risky and liable to lead to trouble.

A group of 5 or 6 Pterophyllum scalare fills a 55g tank from the angelfish perspective. They will almost inevitably pair off, so you need a plan for that eventuality. Theyh will establish territories, and there is insufficient space in a 4-foot tank for any more.

As for tankmates, Rainbows are not good, neither are gourami, for the reasons previous posts have noted. Good tankmates are peaceful characins such as tetras (avoiding linear species which will be eaten or attempted) and hatchetfish (the larger Silver Hatchetfish works best), peaceful substrate fish (corys work very well, plus some of the smaller pleco species, smaller loaches).

Byron.

MoneyMitch 04-24-2013 07:39 PM

thx for the imput, so the overstocking of angels isn't the same as Africans? I wanted to overstock to compensatie for when they eventually pair off. im not trying to breed here I just want a good amount of angles. the more fish the more the aggression gets spread around or is that only true with Africans?

why does overstocking work with Africans but not others?
what problems could you see poping up from the overstocking?

Byron 04-24-2013 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MoneyMitch (Post 1864025)
thx for the imput, so the overstocking of angels isn't the same as Africans? I wanted to overstock to compensatie for when they eventually pair off. im not trying to breed here I just want a good amount of angles. the more fish the more the aggression gets spread around or is that only true with Africans?

why does overstocking work with Africans but not others?
what problems could you see poping up from the overstocking?

I have not researched and thus can't explain the specifics on rift lake cichlids, but I do know something about angelfish. And indeed this applies to most fish, particularly those with territorial natures. If you crowd them, it is highly stressful. This works two ways. First, if a fish does take it upon itself to bully or harass others, he (usually this is the male) won't stop just because of the tank size. But the other fish being targetted have no room to escape, and they will not last very long due to the weakening by stress.

There is to my knowledge no way to deal with eventual pairing; it happens. The larger the tank and the fewer the angelfish, the easier this will be. But angelfish should be in a group of no less than 5, though 4 might work, but absolutely never 3, and never 2 unless you know they are a mated pair. Angels, like most of the dwarf cichlids, do not accept any mate, they like to select their own.

Byron.

fish monger 04-25-2013 07:54 AM

Festivums could be good tank mates for angels. They have very similar requirements and are not aggressive. Both species appreciate tall thin plants like some of the vals. You need to start pretending you want them to breed right away;-)

jaysee 04-25-2013 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MoneyMitch (Post 1862633)
looking at the bosami ones, going to overstock this tank purposely

In my experience, a 55 is not large enough for the large rainbows. The largest I would get are preacox. They would do well with most fish. Even the larger species are suitable for most fish, in my experience.


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