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Little-Fizz 07-09-2008 12:05 PM

Tank demensions
Hi everyone, I'm buying a used aquarium on kijiji. The seller had listed the dimensions as 24"wide, 12 1/2"deep and 16 1/2" high. But also says "I believe its 20 gallon" Lol I'm not good with math and formulas, Would everyone say this is correct? I would just like to know, I'm going to start my plans for stocking and I don't want to over do it.

Also, if anyone has stocking ideas I'm open to hear them!!!

I was thinking about going with my original plans with my ten gallon, before I got these guppies and platies dumped on me and I had to give them the ten gallon. My original plan was to have a pair of blue rams, I really like those guys. And I know as a pair they would be territorial, but I was thinking, they probably wouldn't bother bottom feeders? So in theory would I be ok adding some corries or little loaches? Like kuhli loaches?

If I get the ok on rams and bottom feeders, then I definitely want sand. I had bad luck with corries and gravel (I know it seems obvious but I had a tiny hope that they would be ok with gravel) And I've always been confused as to how to clean sand. So this brings me to my next question. Is my regular gravel vac out of the question?


Little-Fizz 07-09-2008 12:06 PM

Ha, I like my spelling error in the subject, sorry! I should have paid closer attention.

iamntbatman 07-09-2008 01:20 PM

Actually rams stay closer to the bottom most of the time, so if you plan on getting a breeding pair for something like a 20g tank, I might be inclined to leave rambunctious bottom dwellers like cories and kuhlis out of the mix. I think you'd be better off with mid to upper level fish.

Those dimensions sound like a 20 high. With that shape of tank, you have less area at the bottom but enough vertical space to make the choice of mid to upper level fish to mix with the rams an even better idea.

As far as cleaning is concerned, you can use your regular gravel vac. Most waste type stuff will tend to "float" to the top of the sand, so if you hold the vac away from the sand you can suck up the bad stuff without sucking up a bunch of sand. You also need to keep sand stirred. You can do it manually with a fork or something once a week, or you can get a bunch of Malaysian Trumpet Snails which will burrow through the sand and keep it stirred for you.

Little-Fizz 07-09-2008 01:29 PM

I was afraid this would be a tall tank.

I really want to plant it... I just realized I don't even know what kind of light is on the tank. Would you say planting this tank successfully will be impossible? Or will I just have to find the right lighting?

I don't mind stirring the sand myself, but I would rather not be overrun with snails, even though trumpet snails are pretty nifty looking.

I'm really stumped for stocking ideas now. I know I really want the rams... But I really want bottom feeders too. Urgggg, talk about frustrating. I'm not really looking for tetras or anything... One second and I may have a new stocking idea. Lol back to the drawing board.


Little-Fizz 07-09-2008 01:36 PM

Would it be crazy to think that a dwarf gourami and blue rams would get along? Gouramis tend to stick around middle to top area correct? But since both types of these fish are known to be somewhat aggressive... Would I just be setting up a boxing ring in my aquarium?

Little-Fizz 07-09-2008 01:58 PM

Ok, ignore my last post please. Lol I wasn't even thinking... I forgot Rams like their water on the acidic side.

But I've actually found a site that recommends tank mates, and cory cats were on the list. Along with pretty much every type of tetra, angel fish (to large), Discus (to large and probably beyond my experience level), and ottos.

So for right now... I think I might stick to the cory cats unless anyone has experience keeping these two fish together and know its not a good idea. Unless I give in to the tetras.

beweeb 07-09-2008 02:11 PM

1 Ram 6 rummy nose tetras 5 corys
the corys may get picked on because they ignore other fishes territory but they are well armored

iamntbatman 07-09-2008 06:06 PM

The reason I suggested staying away from the cories is from personal experience. I don't have rams, but I do have kribensis cichlids which are similar to rams in that they're peaceful most of the time but can turn into real jerks once it comes time to breed.

Like beweeb said, the cories are really, uh, talented at ignoring the territories of other fish. They just rummage around through the substrate looking for food in their little herd. Many times, they'd start to get too close to the kribs and their young fry. They'd get attacked by the krib parents and just kind of ignore it. After a while they'd figure out that they shouldn't be there, but then they'd often swim straight through the fry and likely eat a couple while they're at it. I seemed to have about 50 fry in that batch and am down to about 25 now, probably due to the cories. The cories also got some nipped fins during all of this.

The gourami will do fine with the same water parameters as the rams, but aggression is an issue. I also had dwarf gouramis with my kribs and they would try to fight back when the kribs wanted them to leave.

beweeb 07-09-2008 06:27 PM

yea id go with only one ram than you dont have as much of the aggression problem i have my one male in with guppies and they get along fine

jeaninel 07-09-2008 11:13 PM

Guess I'm a little late on this but, yes, that is a 20 gallon. Same one I had awhile back. Here's a cool site for figuring tank volume based on dimensions.

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