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dommer 07-02-2008 11:04 AM

looking for some suggestions
 
i have a 65 gallon tall tank that i want to set up for use as a community tank this will be my first community tank but before i had oscars and pacus

what i would like to do as far as fish go is
25 cardinal tetras
25 zebra danios (love there coloring way to much to exclude them)
10 peppered cory cats
12 red cherry shrimp
4 trap door snails

i was told that wouldnt be to big of a load for the tank but im a little Leary of that many fish in a 70 gallon tank will i be ok?

im also not sure what type of subrate i should use in this tank any suggestions? it will not be a planted tank since i was told its very dificult to plant a tall tank like this

will my cascade 1200 canister filter be enough to handle the bio load in the tank they say it will filter 315 gallons per hour and is rated for 150 gallon tank but again im unsure of the bio load in this tank

im planing on building some caves and rock structures before i start my cycle and maybe have a piece or 2 of drift wood in there along with some realistic looking fake plants

1077 07-02-2008 11:16 AM

:D Opinions vary on what consitutes too many fish. Were it me I would cut the numbers of tetras and danios in half. Cardinals I believe would appreciate softer water if possible and require very good water quality for long term health(ie) frequent water changes. Hope some of this helps! PS I believe your filter to be up to the task.

dommer 07-02-2008 11:34 AM

im already planning on doing weekly 25% water changes

i figure like this

week 1 of the month water change only
week 2 of the month water and carbon filter change
week 3 of the month water change and bio floss change
week 4 of the month water change and rinse sponge filter in the canister/inlet tube

any suggestions you can give me on the substrate to use? what do shrimp and cory cats like most?

and will the cory cats, shrimp and snails be able to control any algae that pops up when i was making my stocking list i thought the trio made for a formidable clean up crew

Little-Fizz 07-02-2008 03:10 PM

I agree with 1077 for cutting the number of tetras and danios in half. Maybe later if you decide you want more then add more but for now I think it'll leave enough space if you change your mind and find a fish you really like and would like to add to your tank.

The best substrate to use would be sand. Your cory cats will love the sand. It's harder to clean but nicer on their barbs.

To answer your question about your clean up crew... It sounds like a good combination, the cory cats and shrimp with clean your gravel and your snails will take care of any pesky algae on the glass.

I don't know much about trapdoor snails? I thought you were talking about a mystery snail. This is rather new to me, I've just done a little bit of research and as far as I can tell they aren't to different from mystery snails. They are not hermaphrodites and thats a good thing. But they do give birth to live young, so if your not looking to be over populated with snails, I would get an mystery snail. They lay their egg clutches above the water line and can easily be removed if you do not wish to have baby snails.

Also keep in mind that you do need to feed these snails. I always feed zuccini, cucumbers, or lettuce. Your fish will even enjoy munching on it!

dommer 07-03-2008 07:18 AM

how offten do you drop the veggies in for the snails and roughly how big should the pieces be?

Little-Fizz 07-03-2008 08:26 AM

I'm constantly replacing the veggies because my fish go crazy on it. I try and hide it from them sometimes, lol. Usually I'll put veggies in there 2 -3 times a week. And Just little pieces. Like when your cutting a cucumber to eat yourself, and you cut it into rounds? That works fine. You can do that with the zuccini too, Or cut it long, but then you have rather large chunks of zuccini in your tank and it can get messy. Or just a single piece of lettuce.

You can actually buy little clips with suction cups on them to stick to the side of your tank and put the veggies in the clip. I think it's supposed to be for seaweed, But it works great for this.

You can actually feed them fish food too! They use their foot to form a little funnel thing and will suck the floating fish food of the surface of the water. Or algae wafers, but my fish ALWAYS pigged out on them and my snail never actually got to eat it.

My snail even ate crushed up fish food or finely crushed algae wafers off the tip of my finger. I strongly recommend and mystery snail, they are freakin sweet.

iamntbatman 07-03-2008 12:22 PM

I think you're fine with the stocking list you have planned. Those fish are all really small and therefore have a much smaller bioload than larger fish. I would say something like a convict has about 25 times the mass of a neon tetra and probably produces as much waste as at least 25 neons. Same story with the danios, though they are slightly larger. Since you could easily house several convicts in a 65g tank, I don't think your bioload will be a problem.

1077 07-04-2008 12:13 AM

Several convicts is a far cry from 60 some fish that poster listed. Doubt the accuracy of convicts being twenty five times the mass of a tetra.


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