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tanknewbie 04-06-2008 09:40 AM

someone having babies, but who?
Hi guys. I'm just curious as to who is the suspect egg layer and also, what do I do now?

I have 4 corys, 2 balloon mollies (I thought they were both male), and I just added 4 platies yesterday. This morning I found about 30 eggs laid on the side of the aquarium. Who lays eggs on the glass? There is plenty of plant and decoration in the tank and I would have thought a fish would pick that for egg laying.

Do I wait for them to hatch and try to put them in a breeders net or do I just leave them alone and let them fend for themselves? How long does it take for a fish egg to hatch? Are they in danger from the other fish? (there is also a small algae eater and something that was labeled a "clown loach" in there. That loach fish looks nothing like any picture of one I have seen. He is large, long & flat bodied, blue with red, vertical stripes. I've been trying to get a decent pic of him to identify him, but haven't been able to).

I am very new to the hobby and am at a loss as to how to deal with expectant fish parents, lol. TIA.

okiemavis 04-06-2008 10:19 AM

Both platies and mollies are livebearers, so that makes it an easy question to answer; it was definitely the cories. They may or may not the fertilized, if in a few days they turn white they are not fertilized and you can just vacuum them up before they pollute the tank. If they are you have a few options, here's a good thread following someone else's cory breeding story:

I'm a bit worries about the other inhabitants of your tank. The clown loach, if it is one, will grow to be well over a foot long, and they do best in groups, they will become lonely and shy without other clown loach friends. It kind of sound like you may have a Kuhli loach, but I'm really not sure, I don't keep any loaches myself, a photo would really help. As for the algae eater, I'm almost sure he's going to be a problem. A common pleco, which most pet stores sell as algae eaters, grow to be over 3 feet! Once they get past 6 inches or so they will also stop eating algae. Could you also post a picture of this fish so we can identify it?

Good luck with the cories! They're one of my favorite fish, and I'd love to breed them. The babies are so cute!

herefishy 04-06-2008 10:20 AM

Best guess would be cories, unless you have some snails.......

tanknewbie 04-06-2008 11:05 AM

This is the best I can do on taking a pic of the "loach". I think it is time for a new camera. All of the pics come out very grainy.

On the algae eater, he is definitely NOT a pleco. He is a common little guy that is supposed to get no bigger than 6 inches. I don't have any snails.

So, just leave the eggs alone and let them hatch on their own (if they are fertilized)?

ETA: pictures aren't posting. Sorry. Hold on & let me work on it.

tanknewbie 04-06-2008 11:21 AM

southafrica1001 04-06-2008 11:28 AM

they are most probably the cories, if they are fertile then they should change to a browninsh colour and become see through. if they are fertile it depends on how long until they hatch, my cory eggs took around 3 days, where as some other eggs might take around 5 days, it just depends

iamntbatman 04-06-2008 01:42 PM

That's definitely *not* a clown loach. That's a Paradise Gourami. He should be fine by himself.

The fish sold in stores as "algae eaters" are usually Chinese Algae Eaters. I've read a lot of different stories, but it seems for most people that these fish will eat anything and that algae is only a last resort. They can also get pretty aggressive and will suck hickies onto the sides of your other fish. I've seen tanks of CAE's at Petsmart with swarms of them chewing apart the gouramis they were housed with. Nasty little critters. I find Mystery Snails and Oto cats to be better algae eaters. Oto's are hard to keep alive, though.

okiemavis 04-06-2008 02:02 PM

Whoa, NO idea why the store would say that is a loach. That's actually insane. Even if someone doesn't know anything about fish, they should have picked up by now from working in a fish store that loaches don't even begin to resemble those fish. For one thing, loaches are bottom dwellers and that is a top dweller. I can't tell from the photo, but I think batman is correct in saying it is a paradise fish. Paradise fish are very aggressive and territorial. VERY. You're going to have to return that guy or get another tank for him. If you google paradise fish you'll find a lot on him.

As for the algae eater, batman is also probably correct about that. If it's not a pleco (which you confirmed it wasn't), I'd bet anything that it's a chinese algae eater. I too was sold one of these when I was just starting out. For one thing, they don't eat algae. For another, they're mean little buggers. Mine had a six foot tank and still picked on all my fish. My suggestion is to return both of these fish and complain to a manager. What your fish store did is even more uneducated than most crappy fish stores, and really shouldn't get away with it.

If you take out the Paradise Fish and the CAE, I would feel quite comfortable keeping the eggs in your tank. You can also take them out too, if you want a higher survival rate. Usually you can carefully scrape them off the glass with a razor and put it in another tank. The link I gave you before details moving the eggs and raising the young, so that experience should help you decide how you want to raise yours.

tanknewbie 04-06-2008 03:53 PM

Crud. I have had more trouble trying to get compatible stock in this tank. I started out with a betta and trying to work around him (getting things that would go well with him). I had read clown loaches go well with bettas, but never looked at a picture of them or anything. I took yet another mistake purchase back to trade in yet again and they offered me this fish as a clown loach and I took them at their word. It wasn't until I got home and started looking them up for more info that I realized I didn't have a clown loach after all. I didn't know what he was. He and the betta started fighting so I gave up & bought the betta a 5 gal tank and called it good.

This paradise fish (a.k.a. the "loach") has never bothered anyone else. He pretty much hangs out in the fake plant and keeps to himself. I did read that the algae eaters I just added would get aggressive when they reached full size and just figured I would trade them if/when they did. We just moved and my tanks definitely have an algae problem that I've never had before. So, snails will work better for algae? No one around here carries them, so I will have to go to the city to get some. How many do I get? (30 gal. tank: 4 cories, 4 platies, 2 mollies.........assuming I get rid of the CAE and paradise fish). What do I trade the paradise & CAE for? Can I have fancy guppies?

Thank you for your help.

ETA: the link provided said the topic or post I was looking for did not exist.

tanknewbie 04-06-2008 04:05 PM were 150% correct! That is exactly what he is!

Thank you sooooo much for being able to identify him from such lousy pictures. The pictures on this site are exactly what he looks like.

Well, now that I have added some smaller guys to the tank, I guess I will be doing some fish trading for a paradise fish. I will get it right one day. Thank you so much for your help.

Oh, and you were also correct on the algae eater. That is exactly what they look like (right now they are less than an inch long, but that is them).

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