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Dukelax510 01-23-2013 06:21 PM

sand
 
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Originally Posted by Byron (Post 1132985)
No. I use Quikrete Play Sand. That is what is written on the bag. And get two 50-pound bags, it is always good to have extra. Won't get into that topic or it will add more confusion.

So I found this at the local hardware store. I just wanted to know if this will work with sword plants as well as corys and loaches. Also does anyone know of a black variant?

Byron 01-23-2013 06:27 PM

Hi, and welcome to Tropical Fish Keeping forum.:wave:

I moved your post out of the old thread in which it was posted, and started a new thread of its own. This is better than posting in old threads [that one was back in June of last year].

To your question, the link in your post doesn't work for me so I can't see what the sand is. But as far as I know, play sand is all about the same, it is a mixed hue sand (black, white, buff, gray). If you want a black sand, there are some made specifically for the aquarium but these are much more expensive. And there is black pool filter sand if you can find it; some members have warned about sharpness with this though, esp important if corys and loaches are intended.

Byron.

Dukelax510 01-23-2013 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Byron (Post 1402591)
Hi, and welcome to Tropical Fish Keeping forum.:wave:

I moved your post out of the old thread in which it was posted, and started a new thread of its own. This is better than posting in old threads [that one was back in June of last year].

To your question, the link in your post doesn't work for me so I can't see what the sand is. But as far as I know, play sand is all about the same, it is a mixed hue sand (black, white, buff, gray). If you want a black sand, there are some made specifically for the aquarium but these are much more expensive. And there is black pool filter sand if you can find it; some members have warned about sharpness with this though, esp important if corys and loaches are intended.

Byron.


ok I adjusted the link to the sand so it should work. If not here it is again

Shop QUIKRETE 50 lbs Play Sand at Lowes.com

sorry about that. Currently I have a base layer of seachem flourite and then some of the black aquatic sand from a pet store. The black sand is just so expensive and I heard that playsand is a way more cost effective way and it is just as good. I am doing a planted tank however and have heard that sand and plants don't mix to well.

jeaninel 01-23-2013 06:33 PM

The link worked for me. That sand is fine and I believe it's the same stuff I have in all my tanks.
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Dukelax510 01-23-2013 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jeaninel (Post 1402603)
The link worked for me. That sand is fine and I believe it's the same stuff I have in all my tanks.
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How does it work with plants? I have heard I would need root tabs if I went the sand route.

Dukelax510 01-23-2013 06:48 PM

if my flourite baselayer and black sand on top isn't a problem then I willl leave it. But I was doing some research today and have read a couple articles about mixing like that being bad

Byron 01-23-2013 06:53 PM

The second post linked worked, and that is the sand I use. I now have it in 5 of my 7 tanks, and soon to be in another. Plants do well in this, and the substrate fish love it. And it looks authentic, much like the sand in streams in Amazonia.

If you need to add plant fertilizer, the first one to use is a liquid comprehensive. This provides all plants with everything. Some nutrients are taken up via the leaves, some by roots, some by both, so the liquid covers everything.

Beyond that, there are some plants that are heavy feeders, such as the swords (Echinodorus species). They can benefit from substrate tabs as well. I have grown them with just liquid, and with both liquid and tabs; they do grow better with both ferts.

You mentioned Flourite; I have this as the sole substrate in my 70g, and have been very disappointed with the plant growth in this tank. My sand-only substrate tanks have plant growth just as good, and with the same plant species. If you are going to change, I would remove all the existing Flourite/sand and replace with just play sand. I will be doing this in my 70g one of these days.

Byron.

Dukelax510 01-23-2013 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Byron (Post 1402641)
The second post linked worked, and that is the sand I use. I now have it in 5 of my 7 tanks, and soon to be in another. Plants do well in this, and the substrate fish love it. And it looks authentic, much like the sand in streams in Amazonia.

If you need to add plant fertilizer, the first one to use is a liquid comprehensive. This provides all plants with everything. Some nutrients are taken up via the leaves, some by roots, some by both, so the liquid covers everything.

Beyond that, there are some plants that are heavy feeders, such as the swords (Echinodorus species). They can benefit from substrate tabs as well. I have grown them with just liquid, and with both liquid and tabs; they do grow better with both ferts.

You mentioned Flourite; I have this as the sole substrate in my 70g, and have been very disappointed with the plant growth in this tank. My sand-only substrate tanks have plant growth just as good, and with the same plant species. If you are going to change, I would remove all the existing Flourite/sand and replace with just play sand. I will be doing this in my 70g one of these days.

Byron.

Okay so it looks like I will be getting some play sand this weekend and redoing the tank. Which plant tabs and fert would you recommend. I was looking into Seachem Flourish for the liquid comprehensive and I have no idea for the plant tabs. Also how should I do the tabs as I have no experience with the tabs.

Byron 01-23-2013 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dukelax510 (Post 1402656)
Okay so it looks like I will be getting some play sand this weekend and redoing the tank. Which plant tabs and fert would you recommend. I was looking into Seachem Flourish for the liquid comprehensive and I have no idea for the plant tabs. Also how should I do the tabs as I have no experience with the tabs.

I use the Flourish Comprehensive Supplement. I also use the Flourish Tabs but only for the larger swords like Echinodorus bleherae; most other plants don't need these. I poke one down into the sand about an inch or two from the plant, once every 3 months.

Dukelax510 01-23-2013 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Byron (Post 1402770)
I use the Flourish Comprehensive Supplement. I also use the Flourish Tabs but only for the larger swords like Echinodorus bleherae; most other plants don't need these. I poke one down into the sand about an inch or two from the plant, once every 3 months.

okay fantastic I will make sure I get those. One last final question. so since I currently have sand over my flourite gravel, would I be fine with just leaving it like that? ( there is a section on the far left of the tank about 3in wide by 4 in long of an area where the flourite is not covdered.) or should I get some play sand since 50lbs is only $5 U.S. and re do all the substrate? And if I were to do that what would be the best way to do so since there are fish in the tank.


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