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fairghum 01-23-2013 12:38 PM

SafeStart and adding new fish
 
Hello,
I recently have set up a 20 gallon (long) aquarium and will be moving the 11 inhabitants of my 46 gal. tank into it. The 46 gal tank has beard algae, and so I am starting the 20 gal from scratch (new gravel, filter, filter media, etc.). I put SafeStart in there on Sunday and put in 2 cherry barbs from the 46 a few hours later. So far, so good. Tested the ammonia today and it is zero. Fed the cherry barbs miniscule amount of food last night.

I'm nervous about adding any additional fish, even though the local fish store said it would be ok. I've never used a product like SafeStart and since I don't want to lose any of my fish friends, I'm looking for advice as to when to add some more of the fish.

I have yet to move: 5 gold barbs, 1 dwarf neon rainbow, 2 cories, 1 pleco. My plan would be to move the gold barbs next, but should I only move a couple or the whole school?

Thank you!!!

madyotto 01-23-2013 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by fairghum (Post 1402107)
Hello,
I recently have set up a 20 gallon (long) aquarium and will be moving the 11 inhabitants of my 46 gal. tank into it. The 46 gal tank has beard algae, and so I am starting the 20 gal from scratch (new gravel, filter, filter media, etc.). I put SafeStart in there on Sunday and put in 2 cherry barbs from the 46 a few hours later. So far, so good. Tested the ammonia today and it is zero. Fed the cherry barbs miniscule amount of food last night.

I'm nervous about adding any additional fish, even though the local fish store said it would be ok. I've never used a product like SafeStart and since I don't want to lose any of my fish friends, I'm looking for advice as to when to add some more of the fish.

I have yet to move: 5 gold barbs, 1 dwarf neon rainbow, 2 cories, 1 pleco. My plan would be to move the gold barbs next, but should I only move a couple or the whole school?

Thank you!!!

MORE info please

what type of filteration
is the tank planted
is the filter media new
how big are your cherry barbs

also in my opinion feeding the two fish you have in there only miniscule amount is a bad idea the idea of cycling is to create ammonia you will be creating hardly any this way

if you are in a rush look for a bacteria starter to give your filter the need bacteria to kill ammonia and turn it into nitrite and on the nitrate

correct me if i am wrong but safe start i think is a water conditioner if so you would need to add filter bacteria like filter start from interpet if you wanted to add more or leave it a few days and feed a bit more

also if it is planted you could add another two as plants kill ammonia outright without exchanging it for nitrate planted tanks need much less cycle than non planted


my opinion is the best thing you can do is to swap as much filter foam as you can this will instantly cycle the tank if the new tank has a ready cycled filter foam in it

fairghum 01-23-2013 01:46 PM

SafeStart is a bacteria starter. The cherry barbs are fully mature, all the filter media is new (AquaClear 30), only plastic plants. Unfortunately, I can't swap filter foam because the previous tank has beard algae in it and I sure don't want any more of that!! That's my predicament- whenever I've started new tanks in the past I've had the luxury of "old" gravel and old "filter media" and instant cycling.

Thanks for your reply!

madyotto 01-23-2013 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by fairghum (Post 1402191)
SafeStart is a bacteria starter. The cherry barbs are fully mature, all the filter media is new (AquaClear 30), only plastic plants. Unfortunately, I can't swap filter foam because the previous tank has beard algae in it and I sure don't want any more of that!! That's my predicament- whenever I've started new tanks in the past I've had the luxury of "old" gravel and old "filter media" and instant cycling.

Thanks for your reply!

im not sure what you mean by beard algae but im sure it would not be growing on your filter i could be wrong as i say im not sure what you mean i have an idea but if i am right my mollies eat it all lol :-P

if it is a bacteria in a bottle personaly add another 3 tonight and rest in two days

i have started tanks in one day this way totaly against my advise but what can ya do with impatient freinds lol

EDIT!!!!!!!!!!!!
also just as an added note i have doubled many of these treatment doses with fish present and never had a problem

Byron 01-23-2013 05:57 PM

Any hardscape you can move from the existing tank to the new tank will help as it will carry bacteria in the biofilm. And live plants, even some floating will help.

SafeStart is a good bacterial supplement, it is actually Dr. Hovanec's original formula that Tetra bought and now market under this name. But it is not a magic cycling product, it just helps the bacteria establish much faster. So I would go easy on the fish introduction. A day apart for each addition, and add the entire species together as this settles shoaling fish faster.

Brush algae is perhaps what you refer to a s beard? This is caused by light and obviously nutrients. If you have live plants, then the plants will help control it, provided the light is not greater than what balances the available nutrients. If there are no live plants, then it will be there no matter what, as it will easily use the available nutrients and light. Without plants, this is not at all bad, good in fact, as the algae is similar to plants in using nutrients and producing oxygen.

Byron.

fairghum 01-23-2013 11:37 PM

Unfortunately, there's nothing I can move without sterilizing it to get rid of the algae. YES, it is brush algae. I went ahead and added the school of gold barbs today, and will continue to monitor chemicals before adding any more (maybe this weekend).

Brush algae has really taken over another tank of mine, and while it actually looks pretty, I'm planning to tear down that whole tank next summer and start again. I need to have a less heavy hand while feeding, I think. ;-)

Thanks for your help.

fairghum 01-26-2013 02:30 PM

Well, I added the 5 gold barbs 3 days ago and they are really freaked out!!! if I turn on the light they hide in a corner. They're ok in indirect light. I am busy bleaching and rinsing some of the hardware from the tank where they used to be (the algae one), so maybe with some more "things" in their tank they will settle down. After all, they are going from a McMansion to a condo...

So far, the ammonia, nitrite and nitrate levels are all zero. I will be so glad when this is over as I'm continually nervous!!:roll:

Byron 01-26-2013 03:01 PM

If there are no live plants, as I assume from earlier, I would leave the algae alone. You are never going to get rid of it, it is natural, and it is beneficial in the absence of plants.

fairghum 01-26-2013 03:32 PM

I also have a 40 gal breeder and that algae has completely taken over the tank. Not only on the rocks but also in the gravel. drives me crazy, so I wanted to be very careful not to add it into this new tank. I'm going to watch this one like a hawk.

squishylittlefishies 01-26-2013 05:59 PM

Leave the fish that you haven't transfered yet, and add a siamese algae eater. These are the only fish I know of that eat black brush algae, and they do a good job! Add one or more to each of your tanks so you can stop worrying abou the algae, and stop worrying about transfering the stuff!
SAE's are great!
good luck!


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