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jpbotha 12-27-2012 01:31 AM

ANY IDEAS ON CYCLING TIME FOR NEW 150g
 
Hi everyone.:-D
I spoiled myself with a new 150 g (600litres) tank with a 15g sump(estimated,might be bigger). No I'm not coverting to saltwater, been there done that, and lost lots of money.
My 80g tank is still running and planning to move Oscars, Arowana and Deacons over to the new big brother when it has cycled.

That brings me to me to my question.
- Has anyone done a fishless cycle on a 150g tank without adding ammonia (struggling to get it here) ?
- How long did it take and what was the parameters coupled to time?
- This will be my first attempt to do a fishless cycle without any chemicals.

I have only used fish food to start the process. It has been running for 6 days now. Water still cloudy but starting to clear up.
Current Water parameters
- Ammonia - 1.0
- Nitrite - 0
- Nitrate - Slight trace of Nitrate but nothing signifficant.
- Temp - 28 Celsuis
- Ph - 7.4

Any ideas, suggestions or experiences will be helpful.

1077 12-27-2012 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpbotha (Post 1363633)
Hi everyone.:-D
I spoiled myself with a new 150 g (600litres) tank with a 15g sump(estimated,might be bigger). No I'm not coverting to saltwater, been there done that, and lost lots of money.
My 80g tank is still running and planning to move Oscars, Arowana and Deacons over to the new big brother when it has cycled.

That brings me to me to my question.
- Has anyone done a fishless cycle on a 150g tank without adding ammonia (struggling to get it here) ?
- How long did it take and what was the parameters coupled to time?
- This will be my first attempt to do a fishless cycle without any chemicals.

I have only used fish food to start the process. It has been running for 6 days now. Water still cloudy but starting to clear up.
Current Water parameters
- Ammonia - 1.0
- Nitrite - 0
- Nitrate - Slight trace of Nitrate but nothing signifficant.
- Temp - 28 Celsuis
- Ph - 7.4

Any ideas, suggestions or experiences will be helpful.

I might borrow half of filter media from the 80 gal tank assuming it's cycled.
This would give you a bunch of good bacteria, and allow you to move maybe one or two of the fish over to the 150 gal.
Monitor the water closely, and feed sparingly, and be ready to perform water change if ammonia and or nitrites rise above .25.(shouldn't be problem with one or two fish in approx 160 gallon's)
After a week or two,you could maybe add another fish or two and repeat the above.8-)

jpbotha 12-27-2012 02:07 AM

Am running a Cascade 1000 and 1200 canister filters on the 80 gallon. Cannot really remove "filter media", but will add some gravel to the new tank from the 80g tank and maybe empty one of the canister filters water into the new tank.
Am worried about adding fish already, as the ammonia have not even started to convert nitrites.
Thanks for the suggestions

1077 12-27-2012 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpbotha (Post 1363642)
Am running a Cascade 1000 and 1200 canister filters on the 80 gallon. Cannot really remove "filter media", but will add some gravel to the new tank from the 80g tank and maybe empty one of the canister filters water into the new tank.
Am worried about adding fish already, as the ammonia have not even started to convert nitrites.
Thanks for the suggestions

Very little benefit from using water from the 80 gallon for the bacteria we want cling's to hard surfaces in the tank such as the substrate,decor,and filter material.
should be able to remove one pad,sponge,etc from one of the canister's and this will be well colonized with the bacteria to break down the ammonia.
Am not surprised that the ammonia is not yet being broken down for there is a lengthy process (nitrification) that takes considerable time.
Borrowing some filter material,and or substrate, from one or both canister's will shorten the time line by week's. Have done so many times.;-)

jpbotha 12-27-2012 03:19 AM

Thanks, I will definitely see what can be removed from the filters.
I assume it must be placed in the sump with the bio balls, and not in the drilled overflow box. My 1st time using a sump, I used to be a canister man.

beaslbob 12-27-2012 03:43 PM

In a planted tank or a tank with a planted refugium the cycle could take

Say


2.3 microseconds.


LOL

the no parameter spikes, possible initial nitrate spike of the silent cycle of planted aquari.


as the plants consume ammonia directly.


my .02

Canadian Fish 12-27-2012 08:30 PM

I don't know anything about sumps, but I just wanted to say congrats on the big tank, new tanks are always so exciting. Also, I would like to see some pics of that Arowana when it gets moved to the big tank! How big is the fish now?

I'm not familiar with deacons, I'll have to google it and check it out.

jpbotha 12-27-2012 11:23 PM

Arowana is about 30cm now. Far too big for the 80g. Deacon is also known as Severum, which is suppose to be the more common name. I only knew it as a Deacon until a few days ago.
I'll post some pics soon

Nilet699 12-27-2012 11:44 PM

Yes pics!!

I want your tank so much, I am seriously going to move heaven and earth to get one in the next 12 months. Or bin the Mrs off, she's the only one stopping me. Muhaha.

1077 12-29-2012 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beaslbob (Post 1364028)
In a planted tank or a tank with a planted refugium the cycle could take

Say


2.3 microseconds.


LOL

the no parameter spikes, possible initial nitrate spike of the silent cycle of planted aquari.


as the plants consume ammonia directly.


my .02


Believe planted tank would be difficult with the fishes mentioned, and 15 gal sump (op indicates) would be difficult to plant heavily enough to consume the ammonia created by the fish in question.
But I agree that heavily planted tank's, with thriving plant's,would negate the need for the traditonal cycling in most cases.
Would still stock the tank a few fish at a time.


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