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hellcatq 12-21-2012 11:58 AM

Kleiner bar sword
OK, I have what was called a Kleiner bar sword by live aquaria. I Don't have a camera as yet so can't post a picture:( I had a problem after first planting it in that petco had sold me some silver dollars that were supposedly safe for a planted tank and I impulsively bought 4 since they were on sale for 1.99 each. Needless to say they munched alot of the leaves before I could get rid of the fish.

Currently there is only three of the large leafs that are on 4 inch stems coming out of the base of the plant. I thought maybe it would simply regrow the ones that were ate and so i cut the stem off as low as I could on the ones were the leafs were eaten. What has happened over the last couple weeks is I have 7-8 leafs that have appeared but they are all at the base of the plant and didn't entirely unfold, almost look like they are stunted and did not develop stems. They are also a bright dark purple insted of green like the original leaves were.

IS this normal? Is something wrong? Will it eventually grow more stems/large leaves?

Tank is 29 gal sand with root tabs and liquid flourish comp. T-5 lighting is 2x 39 watt 36 inch tube. compressed co2 at alittle somewhere around 1-2 bubbles a second.

Byron 12-21-2012 01:23 PM

I have one of these, though it is doing poorly because of my low light.

The Echinodorus "Kleiner Bar" cultivar [= not a distinct species] was developed in the early 1990's, apparently from three species, E. parviflorus, E. X barthii and E. uruguayensis (sometimes seen as E. horemanii "red").

Grown submersed it will reach up to 15-25 cm and be compact. Leaf colouring is normally a deep dark red, but in low light it will fade to greenish [mine did this]. As you have fairly bright light, you will see it red.

Some species in this genus will grow larger (taller) with less light, but I've no data if this is the case here. Mine certainly hasn't, but then my light is probably too little in the first place.

One last point; all Echinodorus are bog plants, the natural species spending half the year emersed and half submersed. Different leaf forms will occur during either period. As most swords are raised emersed (less cost, and quicker) the leaf form it had when you bought it might well have been the emersed. The submersed form could be different. I've not seen this plant emersed, so can't confirm.


hellcatq 12-28-2012 02:36 PM

finally got a picture

Byron 12-28-2012 03:28 PM

The Kleiner looks fine to me, even sideways.;-)

hellcatq 12-28-2012 03:34 PM

I just wondered cause I thought it was weird that the new purple leaves are all low and didn't really unfurl completely and produce a long stem.

Byron 12-28-2012 03:37 PM


Originally Posted by hellcatq (Post 1365600)
I just wondered cause I thought it was weird that the new purple leaves are all low and didn't really unfurl completely and produce a long stem.

This could be due to the emersed/sub mersed growth pattern I mentioned, or it could be due to the specific conditions of light and nutrients in your tank. Many of the Echionodorus species will grow differently depending upoon conditions from tank to tank.

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