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Bluewind 12-14-2012 02:36 PM

Neon Shoal Mates
 
I have 3 happy heathy Neons. They are brightly colored and my MALE Betta mothers them! I want to get 2 more tetras to even out the Shoal, but I wanted to know if they HAD to be the exact same ones. Could I get golden neon or cardanal for example. Thanks in advance for the advice :-D
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Geomancer 12-14-2012 03:14 PM

They need to be the same species, and Neon Tetras being so small really need a larger school, 10-12 or more. 6 would be an absolute minimum.

Unfortunately, you may have issues with the Betta adding more. Their temperament more often than not causes problems with new fish.

Bluewind 12-14-2012 03:25 PM

Actually, my Betta is about as agressive as a slug! I've never seen such a sweet and even tempered Betta. He loves his tankmates and has always been curious and gentle with new tankmates. He mothers the current Neons and brings them food. For example, when I give them flakes and they don't sink, Gus will grab a mouthful, carry it down, and spit it out in front of them! He does this rather he has eaten his pellets yet or not. He will even let them sneek a pellet if they want one and not chase them off! Like I said, beyond sweet :-D

Also, aren't Black Neons and Golden Neons just Neons that are colored differently? Or are they a different species?
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Byron 12-15-2012 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluewind (Post 1348622)
Actually, my Betta is about as agressive as a slug! I've never seen such a sweet and even tempered Betta. He loves his tankmates and has always been curious and gentle with new tankmates. He mothers the current Neons and brings them food. For example, when I give them flakes and they don't sink, Gus will grab a mouthful, carry it down, and spit it out in front of them! He does this rather he has eaten his pellets yet or not. He will even let them sneek a pellet if they want one and not chase them off! Like I said, beyond sweet :-D

Also, aren't Black Neons and Golden Neons just Neons that are colored differently? Or are they a different species?
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The so-called Black Neon Tetra is a different species from the true Neon Tetra, as it explains in the profiles; click the shaded name for the profile of that species, it will give you info on minimum numbers, tank sizes, compatibility, etc. The so-called Golden Neon is a un-natural (= man-made through selective breeding) variant of the Neon, but the same actual species.

But you may have trouble here, as Geo alluded to. Your Betta may show no interest in the neons now, and this may stay or may suddenly change; I've no idea as to the age of these fish, and the tank environment factors in to this, along with other issues. But another time-bomb ticking away is the temperament of the neons, and this too may well change. All tetra have lots of teeth, and they like using them; they will often turn to fin nipping when a Betta is in the same tank. This is a risk, and there is no guarantee it will or won't occur, down the road. Betta should never be combined with other upper-water fish for this reason. I would think carefully before adding more fish, as this alone could trigger any of the afore-mentioned.

The inherent traits of a species are programmed into the fish by natural selective evolution, and it is simply impossible to change. Why this fish or that fish behave less or sometimes more aggressive/passive is not known. But the "norm" is constant, and one should always assume the fish will be normal. Nine out of ten times any abnormal behaviour is the fault of we, the aquarist, in not providing what the fish requires.

Byron.

Bluewind 12-15-2012 02:03 PM

Okay now THAT scares me. O_O

I read in several places how Neons were good tankmates for Bettas, but now I'm not so sure. I inspected Gus and found a small shreded area on the top part of his dorsal fin. Could that be possibe fin nipping? Would increasing the size of the shoal help? Should I rehome them? :-(
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Byron 12-15-2012 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluewind (Post 1349833)
Okay now THAT scares me. O_O

I read in several places how Neons were good tankmates for Bettas, but now I'm not so sure. I inspected Gus and found a small shreded area on the top part of his dorsal fin. Could that be possibe fin nipping? Would increasing the size of the shoal help? Should I rehome them? :-(
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You will find a few members here (not many, fortunately:-)) who will tell you this is a good match, but the fact is as I have previously stated. Betta should always be alone, and I would certainly advise this. Then you can up the neon group so they will be happy too.

It is quite possible the neons are already having some fun, I would have to observe the tank for a decent period of time in order to say for sure; even if one doesn't see actual nips happening, the way the fish interact is a clue to what they are "thinking" and fish can read other fish's chemical signals, what we call pheromones and allomones.

Byron.

Bluewind 12-15-2012 03:58 PM

The Neons chase each other back and forth a bit, but I just wrote it off as shoaling. Not sure how to tell what to do!

Like I said before, Gus is NOT a normal Betta. He doesn't like being alone and actually became much happier when I added shrimp to his tank. When he is alone, he begs for attention (not food!) and gets quite lonely. He's also not as active. He's just... different.

When I had my Julli, the 2 of them would play all over then tank. He also played with the shrimp and I saw them more than once cuddling up next to him beside his rock. He became upset when one died and even MORE upset when the Tetra ate it! He actually tried to protect it even after it died! He sulked for the rest of the day and didn't eat the next day. I guess the Tetra bully him because of his gentle nature :-(
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