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prodrumernate 12-01-2012 08:53 PM

want to start a saltwater tank!!
 
i want to turn one of my 10gallons into a saltwater tank. i know it isnt that easy for such a small tank.i dont have room for anything bigger as ill be transferring fish over to my other 10 gallon.since i only have 2 fish in the tank and 3 in the other.

its going to be a simple setup. i will put 2 clowns in it.i have some sand i got from home depot i currently use in my 20g hex tank.so i got plenty of sand i can use for my salt tank if its good enough sand for it.i think 30 grit....

i have a small dried coral i want to place in it after cleaning it.

i will buy 1 or 2 big fake corals to put in as well..the tank has my stock filter to which i took out the carbon filter a long time ago and place a fluval sponge filter i cut up in the back.

i want to know whats the best way about setting it up?

could i use the media already in it to seed the tank as well as the filter int it?
is the sand i have good enough?
is AQ salt the same as marine salt or i actually have to buy the Instant Ocean salt or 1 of another brand?

not trying to go cheap.just want something simple to start out on as i seen on a few videos.something i can try as well as my dad and see how things go until we get a new place.

Reefing Madness 12-01-2012 11:51 PM

FW bacteria will not seed a SW tank. Sw will kill the bacteria growing on the FW media. Can't be used, your tank will have to cycle. I would recommend 10-15llbs of Base Rock, Macro Rock or Live Rock, as this is whats used for filtration in a SW tank. You can use your filter alone, but its alittle tougher to keep up with good quality water numbers. I'd check the sand and its ingredients, if it has any silicates in it, this will cause you problems with algae and cyano bacteria. I wouldn't use it. You might want to rethink it, and go Crushed Coral or Live Sand, or an Aragonite of some sort.

bshou77 12-02-2012 03:31 AM

hi not tring to over simplify start up of SW but ive always put live rock, then live sand, and any HOB media filter i had handy, let run till water cleared bout a day or 2, then hook up my lighting ang adjust my water from there and hi this is my first reply hope it helped

prodrumernate 12-02-2012 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Reefing Madness (Post 1334252)
FW bacteria will not seed a SW tank. Sw will kill the bacteria growing on the FW media. Can't be used, your tank will have to cycle. I would recommend 10-15llbs of Base Rock, Macro Rock or Live Rock, as this is whats used for filtration in a SW tank. You can use your filter alone, but its alittle tougher to keep up with good quality water numbers. I'd check the sand and its ingredients, if it has any silicates in it, this will cause you problems with algae and cyano bacteria. I wouldn't use it. You might want to rethink it, and go Crushed Coral or Live Sand, or an Aragonite of some sort.

i didnt think FW bacteria work in SW tanks.i was at a LFS and asked a guy about starting a SW tank.and mentioned about using my BB from my FW tanks.he was hesitant answering.so its a big reason y i asked here.everything else hw knew rite away.i can tell he was pretty confident and knew exactly what he was talking about..

i had talked to my dad about setting my tank up.im actually debating rather or not to go ahead and spend the money to buy a new 10 gallon as my fish are all happy in their tanks.and since i took out the tube tv and replaced it with a small hdtv that i know i wont use.i have space for another tank.but its on debate.

i may go ahead and just buy new stuff for a SW tank as u have suggested.especially the live sand and everything.since the tank is small.i wont be spending every penny i have.i need to see if my LFS sells live rock for sure or not.i believe they do.considering its a small tank with only 2 clowns.i know i dont need much.

thank you for the advice.anymore u can give please do.i want to make sure its done correctly.and everything survives.im not rushing it...

prodrumernate 12-02-2012 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bshou77 (Post 1334334)
hi not tring to over simplify start up of SW but ive always put live rock, then live sand, and any HOB media filter i had handy, let run till water cleared bout a day or 2, then hook up my lighting ang adjust my water from there and hi this is my first reply hope it helped

actually yes it has helped..i had watched a video later on on youtube and fount that everything in a SW has a purpose.if i go without like live rocks etc.then i can throw of the balance and really have problems.i want to do it rite the first time.and every little bit of advice and tips is greatly appreciated and does help as i know nothing about SW other than they r salty and the fish are more colorful and its harder to startup at first :)

Reefing Madness 12-02-2012 12:08 PM

Oh forgot, you'll have to use a Marine Salt. AQ Salt won't due.
Here is a list of things that will help you along. Now only going with a 10g tank, you won't need them all:

#1-Dry Rock, there are a few hitchhikers on Live Rock that people want to stay away from, so they opt for using Dry Rock, or Dead Rock. Macro Rock is a good place to start looking for that. Either way you go you will need a minimum of 1lb per gallon.

#2-Replacement filter media like filter floss and activated carbon (if you get a filter) Which is really not necessary.

#3-Multiple Power heads (2 or 3) 10x your water volume for just a Fish Only With Live Rock, and at least 20x your water volume for a Reef Tank. So lets say your going reef, and you have a 100g tank, you would need flow in that tank at minimum of 2000gph, or 2 1000gph power heads.

#4-Protein Skimmer, rated at 2 times your water volume. Unless your tank is under 30g, in which case you can do 10% water changes a week to rid the system of detrius. But, you'll have to watch the water parameters close, if things go haywire, you'll have to do more water changes.

#5-Saltwater Test Kits. Reef Test Kit. Test for Ammonia, Nitrites, Nitrates, PH, Phosphates, Calcium, ALK and Magnesium.

#6-Saltwater fish food. Mysis Shrimp, Squid, Cyclopease, Algae Sheets, Romaine . Flake food is not really a good food to feed your marine fish.

#7-Aquarium vacuum. This one is iffy. Most don't use one, if you have enough flow in the tank you won’t need one

#8-Rubber kitchen gloves

#9-Fish net

#10-Two, clean, never used before, 5-gallon buckets

#11-Aquarium thermometer, digital being the best.

#12-Brush with plastic bristles (old tooth brush) - needed for cleaning the live rock if you don't get Fully Cured Live Rock.

#13-Power Strip, possibly GFCI outlets by the tank.

#14-Optional but definitely recommend getting a Reverse Osmosis or RO/Deionization filter for the make-up water, and a barrel for storing the water.

#15-Possibly a Quarantine Tank for your new fish. They sit in here for a few weeks to kill off parasites and bacteria, to keep it from getting in your main tank

#16-Heater rated for your size tank.

#17-Saltwater Mix. Marine Salt. Instant Ocean is the cheap Salt that beginners and Advanced use alike.

#18-Saltwater Hydrometer or even better a Refractometer, which is more accurate. There is also a Digital Meter that is way advanced if you have the cash.

#19-Aquarium filter (not absolutely necessary if running with adequate amounts of live rock, but nice to have if you need to use a mechanical filter or activated carbon, or GFO and such)

#20-Aquarium substrate such as live sand or crushed coral. Some go bare Bottom, others choose the 2-3" bottom, others, more advanced will try the Deep Sand Bed, which is over 6" deep.

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prodrumernate 12-02-2012 12:13 PM

i actually forgot to mention that again as i didnt see an answer earlier.but looks like u got that covered for me and ansered it :) again thank you..any tips.ideas etc plz throw them at me.. :)

Reefing Madness 12-02-2012 12:19 PM

Sounds like you've done your homework. 10g is not really that hard to keep, unless your going with a Reef. Just need to watch your water parameters is all thats needed, weekly water changes, and your pretty much safe. 10g tank your using a Mechanical Filter just like a FW tank, only diff in the 2 at this point is, one uses Salt the other does not. The correct amount of Live Rock is the key. No special lighting is required for a Fish Only Tank.
Just for a heads up, if your LFS guy was hesitant about telling you it was not ok about using FW bio media in a SW tank, I'd say he doesn't know what he's talking about, and just guessing. Thats not a good thing.

beaslbob 12-05-2012 10:08 AM

IMHO if you start the tank with macro algae like chaetomorphia then do the rest it will be much more easier to maintain. Best to protect the macro in a refugium but that can just be a tank partition to keep the fish and crabs away from the macros.

I wait a week then add a single common male molly. Then wait another week before starting feeding 1 flake per day.

IMHO when you get the molly to live for a couple of weeks you are well on your way to the expensive marine only fish.


my .02

Reefing Madness 12-05-2012 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by beaslbob (Post 1338451)
IMHO if you start the tank with macro algae like chaetomorphia then do the rest it will be much more easier to maintain. Best to protect the macro in a refugium but that can just be a tank partition to keep the fish and crabs away from the macros.

I wait a week then add a single common male molly. Then wait another week before starting feeding 1 flake per day.

IMHO when you get the molly to live for a couple of weeks you are well on your way to the expensive marine only fish.


my .02

Here we go again. So, you still advising people to partition off a 10g tank, thats already to small for most Marine Fish!!! NO! And I do not advocate using a Live Fish to cycle a Tank, even though Mollies are quite hardy. IMO, you need to update your advice Bob.


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