Tropical Fish Keeping - Aquarium fish care and resources

Tropical Fish Keeping - Aquarium fish care and resources (http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/)
-   Beginner Freshwater Aquarium (http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/beginner-freshwater-aquarium/)
-   -   30 gallon tank help (http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/beginner-freshwater-aquarium/30-gallon-tank-help-120849/)

Ivanrad 11-24-2012 09:18 PM

30 gallon tank help
 
Currently have a 30 gallon ( i know its small ) . Right now ive got 3 orange platys, 3 zebra danios, 3 bloodfin tetras, 3 black fin tetras and a Ancistrus.
Were going to bring back the orange platys , and bloodfin tetras.
I would like to add gouramis but i hear they tend to nip a bit.
I want fish that grow to be semi large, not as large as plecos but they must have color.
I would like some showcase fish but they must go well in a community.

also have a penquin 350 filter thats just sitting, do you think its worth running the 350 with 200 gallon, so i can replace the 200 with the 350?

Byron 11-25-2012 12:07 PM

Successfully combining fish in a true "community" aquarium requires good research. Not all fish can live together in good health for many reasons, involving water parameters (GH, pH and temperature), environment (involving water flow, decor such as wood, rock, plants, even the type of substrate) and obviously compatibility due to the fishes' natural behaviours and traits. And one must always remember that all the afore-mentioned factors are what we may call "hard-wired" into each fish species; in other words, you cannot change them, the fish have evolved to require all this.

So, turning to the fish you now have. Several are shoaling fish that must have groups; there are many reasons for this that I won't get into now. But 6 is usually considered the minimum number for shoaling fish, with some exceptions. Without an adequate sized group, the fish will frequently be stressed and this leads to health problems, increased aggression many times, sometimes the opposite. And a shorter lifespan is inevitable. The danio and tetra are shoaling fish.

We have fish profiles, second tab from the left in the blue bar across the top of the page, and this is stated for all species where it is relevant. Please have a read. If the name is used in a post identical to how it appears in the profile, it will shade and you can click the link.

Moving on, with the platy and bloodfins gone, you will need to increase the danio and tetra if you intend to keep these species. But this is going to cause some other issues.

Gourami are sedate fish, and are not compatible with danio (or most barbs) due to their active nature; some tetra are also active swimmers and should be avoided. But some are also know to fin nip, and assuming the black fin tetra are Black Widow Tetra, this is almost certain to occur when they are in with gourami.

Gourami themselves are territorial, the males of each species, and they thus need space. No mention is made of the species here, so have a look in the profiles; pretty much all of the common species are included, under the Anabantids section.

Byron.

Ivanrad 11-25-2012 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Byron (Post 1325259)
Successfully combining fish in a true "community" aquarium requires good research. Not all fish can live together in good health for many reasons, involving water parameters (GH, pH and temperature), environment (involving water flow, decor such as wood, rock, plants, even the type of substrate) and obviously compatibility due to the fishes' natural behaviours and traits. And one must always remember that all the afore-mentioned factors are what we may call "hard-wired" into each fish species; in other words, you cannot change them, the fish have evolved to require all this.

So, turning to the fish you now have. Several are shoaling fish that must have groups; there are many reasons for this that I won't get into now. But 6 is usually considered the minimum number for shoaling fish, with some exceptions. Without an adequate sized group, the fish will frequently be stressed and this leads to health problems, increased aggression many times, sometimes the opposite. And a shorter lifespan is inevitable. The danio and tetra are shoaling fish.

We have fish profiles, second tab from the left in the blue bar across the top of the page, and this is stated for all species where it is relevant. Please have a read. If the name is used in a post identical to how it appears in the profile, it will shade and you can click the link.

Moving on, with the platy and bloodfins gone, you will need to increase the danio and tetra if you intend to keep these species. But this is going to cause some other issues.

Gourami are sedate fish, and are not compatible with danio (or most barbs) due to their active nature; some tetra are also active swimmers and should be avoided. But some are also know to fin nip, and assuming the black fin tetra are Black Widow Tetra, this is almost certain to occur when they are in with gourami.

Gourami themselves are territorial, the males of each species, and they thus need space. No mention is made of the species here, so have a look in the profiles; pretty much all of the common species are included, under the Anabantids section.

Byron.

Okay how about my ancistrous . Is that going to be a problem to my tank ?
How do i slowly get rid of these fish without loosing my bacteria ?
Is there any easy to use website that can guide me with compatible fish ?
I want to be able to establish a terranium with co2 etc
I tried clicking on the blue highlighted links all that happens is my browser goes to a white page .
I visited this site before and im quite suprised the bug hasnt been fixed
Posted via Mobile Device

Byron 11-25-2012 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ivanrad (Post 1325389)
Okay how about my ancistrous . Is that going to be a problem to my tank ?
How do i slowly get rid of these fish without loosing my bacteria ?
Is there any easy to use website that can guide me with compatible fish ?
I want to be able to establish a terranium with co2 etc
I tried clicking on the blue highlighted links all that happens is my browser goes to a white page .
I visited this site before and im quite suprised the bug hasnt been fixed
Posted via Mobile Device

I don't understand the site issue. In the blue bar across the top of the page there are options. Can you not click on any (all) of these and go to other screens?

By "terranium" I assume you mean a high-tech planted aquarium using CO2, etc? I happen to be a natural or low-tech planted tank aquarist, as are many (but not all) of us regularly on here. My series at the head of the Aquarium Plants section entitled "A Basic Approach to the Natural Planted Aquarium" sets out my simple natural approach.

As for compatible fish, this takes some thinking through of so many factors that is is not easy to develop software to go through all the factors. Compatible fish starts with water parameters, then the type of fish you want (slow, sedate or active swimmers, as the two do not mix well), other environment issues (filter flow, decor), and finally the temperament.

The difficulty in getting rid of fish, is where to take them. Some stores may accept returns when they understand the issues, but other aquarists are usually a better option. The bacteria is not an issue.

As for the Ancistrus, depends upon species. Most are on the small side, 4-5 inches. And while this is larger than anything I wold put in a 30g, with live plants and weekly partial water changes and a suitable fish stocking in the upper levels it is certainly possible.

Byron.

Ivanrad 11-25-2012 02:53 PM

Okay so i dont get what your trying to say ... I can exchange my fish once im done with my nitrogen cycle . Why would my ancistrus be a problem in my tank hes like the tiniest algae eater ive seen ....
30 Gallon Freshwater Tank Update (Anubias & Cherry Barbs) - YouTube
If u watch this video you will see how many fish thia guy has .. Why would he have a pleco if it doesnt fit ..
Theres too much confusion in the fish department... One person says 1 thing the other pet store says anothing thing. . Let just get this straight.
Heres the fish im interested in
. Gouramis
. Parrot fish
. Neon tetras
. Plus whatever will work

Ive got a 70 gallon penquin filter so that should take care of filtration
. My plants are doing really well .
If someone can give me a build of fish that would be great .


Posted via Mobile Device

Byron 11-25-2012 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ivanrad (Post 1325503)
Okay so i dont get what your trying to say ... I can exchange my fish once im done with my nitrogen cycle . Why would my ancistrus be a problem in my tank hes like the tiniest algae eater ive seen ....
30 Gallon Freshwater Tank Update (Anubias & Cherry Barbs) - YouTube
If u watch this video you will see how many fish thia guy has .. Why would he have a pleco if it doesnt fit ..
Theres too much confusion in the fish department... One person says 1 thing the other pet store says anothing thing. . Let just get this straight.
Heres the fish im interested in
. Gouramis
. Parrot fish
. Neon tetras
. Plus whatever will work

Ive got a 70 gallon penquin filter so that should take care of filtration
. My plants are doing really well .
If someone can give me a build of fish that would be great .

Posted via Mobile Device

I watched that video, and while it looks fine now, there are some immediate issues and some other problems just waiting to happen. Those Red Tailed Shark will get to 6 inches, and they will be nasty; they should always be alone unless it is a very large tank. And the two Zebra loach should not be with the shark; plus the loaches must have 5+, they are highly social shoaling fish. One can put a lot of different fish into a tank today, but that does not mean the fish will do well long-term.

I can't waste more time on that video, it is not your tank. Putting together a community aquarium that will work for years takes some thought. What gourami species are you planning to have? Some of them will eat neons. Parrot fish I assume is the Blood Parrot cichlid that gets to 8 inches and is not suited to a 30g with these other fish.

And BTW, is your 30g tank 30 or 36 inches in length? I've been assuming 30 but if it is 36 that makes some difference.

Ivanrad 11-25-2012 07:55 PM

I was thinking
PetSmart - Honey Sunset Gourami customer reviews - product reviews - read top consumer ratings
These would be good . They look different in the store their really small and are red
.
Would my artiscus work with them?
Posted via Mobile Device

Ivanrad 11-25-2012 08:39 PM

its a 36 inch

Ivanrad 11-25-2012 08:58 PM

but my measurements are 36 x 12 x 14. subtracting the inch of glass.

Bluewind 11-25-2012 11:58 PM

You might want to check out aqadvisor.com. While the program is far from perfect, it can help you spot some red flag problems with your possible community. When you find a mix that works, do research on those breeds before buying. I hope that helps :-)
Posted via Mobile Device


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:28 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2