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BillyVille 02-18-2008 10:01 PM

Does anyone have this setup?
 
http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/ug_jets.php

Just wondering what it would cost to buy everything needed for this???

herefishy 02-18-2008 11:20 PM

I run a similar, though not as intricate, system. The name for the method of filtration is "reverse flow" filtration. I use it on many of my tanks and have for years. I use Perfecto under gravel filter plates and Marineland powerheads. I use the Marineland 660r primarily, but do have tanks using the Marineland 550 and 1140 with the power filter adaptors. I have been a staunch advocate of this for many, many(at least 20-25) years.

Here is a link to the powerheads:
http://www.petsolutions.com/Penguin-...68550+C42.aspx

Here is a link to the adaptors:
http://www.petsolutions.com/Reverse-...86861+C42.aspx

There is a problem that he did not address. I would take it he is using this method in a cichlid tank judging by the crushed coral he is using as a substrate and the forum in which it is posted. Cichlids are master excavators. They seem to move the gravel substrate just to be moving it. This can expose the filter plate. Whether the ugf is being used in conventional fashion or with reverse filtration, it provides a place for decreased resistance for the water. If the plate is exposed, more water will enter/exit, depending upon the system, through this "gap".

This is the reason I use Perfecto plates. These plates in a cross-section look like "W". I fill the "troughs" with substrate and glue a cheese cloth-like material to the "peaks" using a silicone adhesive. The "master excavator" can only dig so far. The integrity of the plate and system is never compromised.

Another thing that the author brought up that I do agree with is the fact that this method is not a "stand alone" system. I use power filters, both external and internal, and canister filters in all of my big tanks. Event the 29g tanks using this method have a power filter(s) used along with the reverse flow method. It is a must in my opinion. The sponge filters alone cannot handle the job as effectively as a "multi-layered" system.


I use this system in tanks from 29ga to 300g and swear by it.

The system you linked is WAY too complicated for me.

fish_4_all 02-18-2008 11:20 PM

To be honest, it is really overly complicated. An UGL run with powerhead in reverse flow would work much more efficiently. 2 powerheads, the sponge pre filters and the UGL plates should cost between $40 and $150 for a tank up to 55 gallons depending on the quality and size of the powerheads.

BillyVille 02-19-2008 06:32 AM

Well Im going to be puting it on my 75 gallon when I get it. I dont understand how it keeps the bottom clean?? And please guys can some one show me step by step how to set this up with a diagram or something. Im really new at this and dont understand it much but am really interested. I just need a boost on it and a parts list. Thanks guys for putting up with my noobie questions!

fish_4_all 02-19-2008 10:13 AM

The way it keeps the bottom clean is to cause a current of water up through the substrate. This forces small particles, leftover food and fish waste back up into the water column so the sponges can remove it.

As for the setup, we can help you with a list of materials to do it either way. The way you posted about will keep some of the mulm and gunk up where the reverse flow UGF should keep most of it up and out of the tank. In a 75 gallon, 4 seperate powerheads would be the best way to go the other way with 2-3 pipes out each one.

You let us know how you want to do it and we will do what we can to help you make it happen.

BillyVille 02-19-2008 10:46 AM

Well im on a budget but I want it dont right the first time. So with the materials list can you give me a guess of how much it will cost? So I can buy it piece by piece! Thanks so much!

fish_4_all 02-19-2008 11:13 AM

for a 75 gallon:

3 reverse flow powerheads 75 gallon capacity each ($40-70 each)
UGF plate $20-45

Either way will be about the same price. 3 powerheads on a 75 is my own thoughts. 1 on each end and one in the middle for optimul flow.

Personally I would also add an HOB filter to help remove mulm and waste. Not needed but an AC50 would serve the purpose well.

BillyVille 02-19-2008 01:00 PM

Ok thanks! What brands do I need to look for? This may be a dumb question but Ive gotta ask... I still need filters for my tank wether it be HOB or Cansitor right?

fish_4_all 02-19-2008 01:06 PM

Pre filters for the powerheads for sure regardless of your other filters. This will keep mulm and gunk from clogging under the plates and also keep fish out and their fry.

BillyVille 02-19-2008 01:46 PM

well hate to keep bothering ya man, but whats a great filter to get? I like a canistor if I could get a good one for around 100 bucks, but all the ones I see are 200 or more. So i guess im stuck with HOB ones. So which brand do I get?


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