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rg0p 09-28-2012 12:56 PM

jungle val not doing well...
I have a 25 gal with two 14w NO T5. All plants except the jungle vals are doing well. I have anubias, mayaca, amazon swords, windolev fern, java fern and anacharis... Jungle val has been there for nearly 3 months.. No new growth at all. Just old leaves some which have been yellowing and I have trimmed them... Lately, some leaves have some black outline on them. I rarely dose Excel and even when I do it's low dose... Any ideas? I am thinking of taking them out and leave them in a glass jar near a sunny window. Then after couple of weeks, float them in the tank.. If they recoup, then I shall plant them... Any help is very much appreciated. Thanks.

djembekah 09-28-2012 01:15 PM

do you have root tabs for them? I was just informed recently that they need root tabs, so i have to get some for mine too.

you probably have them though, i see you have other heavy root feeding plants. hmm! what does your water hardness look like?

rg0p 09-28-2012 01:41 PM

Sorry, I forgot to add some more details... Yes I have used root tabs. Also, recently I added Osmocote in gel caps as it's been a while since I put in root tabs. I also dose (just once a week) seachem Flourish Comprehensive... I have gravel mixed Caribsea Floramax and some EcoComplete... My lights are on for 10 hrs.... The GH numbers are ~150 ppm. The actual KH values: 40-80 ppm. pH 6.5-7.0. I also have water wisteria, which has come back strong from almost being dead. The wisteris was almost a goner because I removed it from the tank for a while to put Flormax and Ecocomplete as I had only gravel before....

Boredomb 09-28-2012 01:57 PM

Well how long has it been since you added your root tablets?? Also Vals do not like Excel at all. It makes them melt. Have heard ppl having success with using it with vals but I wouldn't risk it.
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rg0p 09-28-2012 02:06 PM

I added root tabs originally about 5 months ago. And about a month ago I added Osmocote Plus in gel caps as root feeders. I use Excel at very low dose - once a week and 2 mL. And it's 25 gal tank...... I may be wrong, but I don't think it's due to Excel.....

Boredomb 09-28-2012 02:28 PM

May I ask why just once a week? You lose the "benefits" of Excel if you don't dose everyday with it. I don't see any reason why your Jungle Val shouldn't be thriving other then the Excel. Though just once a week I don't know if that is enough to cause harm to the plant. If it was ME I would stop dosing Excel for a couple of weeks and see if it makes a difference.
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rg0p 09-28-2012 02:42 PM

Once a week just keep it low concentration. I don't want to hurt the anacharis or the vals for that matter.... To tell you the truth, early on when first started the tank I was more diligent about Excel and it killed my anacharis (didn't know about it then..). So I became very careful ever since. Anancharis are doing great now, even with Excel (albeit very low)...
Will hold off or stop Excel for a while... Thanks for the thoughts...

Boredomb 09-28-2012 03:01 PM

just one thought your water is a bit on the soft side 8gh. Vals do best in harder water. Not sure if 8 GH is enough for them. If stopping the Excel doesn't work then I would bet its your water.
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rg0p 09-28-2012 03:09 PM

Umm.. that means no vals for me :( I'd like to keep the water on the softer side. I must admit it's been a while since did the hardness test. I was using the strips. Now I have the API liquid kit. I do ammonia, nitrite and nitrate test fairly regularly (at least once a month). Hardness, I need to get an update, although I don't think it's going to change much. Will do the test this weekend and report :)

Boredomb 09-28-2012 03:15 PM

Unless you are adding something to change or regulate your hardness the numbers shouldn't change.
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