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rae3988 01-23-2008 01:55 AM

Sick Goldfish...please help, I don't know what to do
 
I just switched tanks and got a 2.5 gallon minitank with a tetra water filter. I tested with strips and everything looks good.

At first, he was swimming around almost psychotically, and would be shaking (to which I couldn't capture on camera) but now he's shaking in place, then swimming a little, then not swimming at all, then swimming more shaking simultaneously...

Somethng is NOT right, and I just don't know what to do.

different videos; this one, at the end, it almost seems like shimmy
http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...dsemest010.flv
and the other one seems just strange...occasionally you see him doing the shaking thing...
http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...dsemest012.flv

willow 01-23-2008 02:00 AM

hi
can i ask how fast is the flow of water in there from the filter,
he looks like hes fighting the current ?

rae3988 01-23-2008 02:05 AM

the flow is pretty minimal....or at least, it certainly doesn't seem to big.
another video, which epitomizes why I'm freaked out (and it helps that I put the camera down instead of having a shaky hand)

The shakes are so obvious in person but no camera is catching it quite right

http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...dsemest013.flv

Falina 01-23-2008 02:09 AM

Sorry to say it but hose test strips are a waste of time and money. They're very inaccurate. You would be better off, and would get real results using a liquid test kit. Master test kits test for amonia, nitrite, nitrate and ph, all of which are crucial to know.

Like you said the shaking isn't visible in the videos much but in such a small tank the chances are your parameters could be off so I would recommend testing again with a better kit. Did you cycle the tank first before you put him in?

bettababy 01-23-2008 02:09 AM

That fish has a swim bladder problem, that is very obvious. He's having a hard time staying down low in the tank, and the twitching is his struggling to do so. The best treatment I know for this is epsom salts, it usually works fast. What kind of food are you offering him? If he is feeding at the surface he will gulp a lot of air, which will cause this. If this becomes ongoing, it can cause internal damage.
Always feed fancy goldfish with food that sinks to the bottom. If you can't find any pellets that sink, soak the floating pellets in water until they are water logged enough to sink to the bottom of the cup, then feed them to the fish.
Add 1 teaspoon of epsom salts to the tank, don't dissolve them in water first, just sprinkle it in. Withhold that day's feeding and see if you can get the fish to eat one or 2 pieces of the epsom salt first, this will help a lot faster. Keep the water cool (65 - 68 degrees) and very clean (50% water change every day) and he should be fine in a few days.
The other advice I have to offer is this: start shopping for a much larger tank already now. These fish grow fast, and are very dirty, also consume a large amount of oxygen. Fancy goldfish grow to 8 inches, and to go from the size yours is to about 3 - 4 inches in the first year should be expected. You'll want at least 40 gallons for the first year or so, then up to about 75 gallons after that for the one fish. If you add another, 90 gallons would be enough for 2.

rae3988 01-23-2008 02:15 AM

is basic aquarium salt the same thing as epsom salt?

and as for cycling the tank...I'm going to have to guess that I didn't, because I don't know what that means..

Falina 01-23-2008 02:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rae3988
is basic aquarium salt the same thing as epsom salt?

and as for cycling the tank...I'm going to have to guess that I didn't, because I don't know what that means..

No it's different but you should be able to get it easly from a lfs. I know ine stocks it and would imagine most, if not all do.

Cycling is where you let the tank run for a period of 2-8, maybe more weeks without fish and "feed" it to allow amonia, nitrite, nitrate build up and then disappear as the nitrogen cycle takes place. It can also be done with fish where the fish are a sort of sacrafice to the tnk as many will not survive. when fish are used it is the waste that breaks down and creates the toxins whereas with the fish food is is the rottig food that breaks down.

There's a great sticky at the beginning of the starting and maintaining section byt fish4all that details cycling and the different methods if you want to learn more.

rae3988 01-23-2008 02:32 AM

No, I hadn't done that at all...

it always seems like at night he's acting stranger. As for what someone else said above, do you thnk it could be swim bladder? I'm so terrified of losing him that I'm overly anxious and dont' know enough about what to do next, or my timeframe for "danger" is (aka I almost want to go to walmart RIGHT NOW to find epsom salts..etc)

bettababy 01-23-2008 02:32 AM

No, there is a difference. Basic aquarium salt may help some, but I would suggest epsom salts instead if thats possible. If you use basic aquarium salt, cut the amount to 1/2 teaspoon instead. It is also more unlikely that you will be able to get him to eat any of the aquarium salt. Do the same thing, sprinkle it in across the top of the water.

As for the cycle, maybe this can help:
http://www.angelfire.com/me4/aquariu.../nitrogen1.htm

Let me know if you need more help.

rae3988 01-23-2008 02:35 AM

I guess my only real question is- is he at risk for, well, death? Immediate or rather soon?

I'm going to add the aq. salts shortly, I keep watching him and can't believe this shaking can't be caught on tape.


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