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beano129 08-16-2012 03:40 AM

Does my Oranda look bloated?
 
Hi everyone,

I've had some issues with my Oranda.

For the last week we think she's been pretty good - we noticed she had some 'floaty' episodes which we attributed to a bit of overfeeding and water temp being too cold.

I have since upped the water temp to approx. 22 Degrees C which seems to have helped no end.

Her dorsal fin seems to be much more perky and the 'floaty' issues have now completely stopped.

My issue now is that i've not seen her poo very much and the only time recently that I have, it's been really thin and stringy.. she used to do pretty big poo's.

She's been fasted twice in the last 4 weeks while we've been trying to get her back to normal and we generally feed her much less.

We feed once a day and only as much as her eye / as much as she can fit in her mouth.

We mix her food between New Life Spectrum small fish formula and TetraColour pellets.

I also give her a pea / little bit of blanched spinach but what i've noticed recently is that she seems to gobble up the pea (I only feed half a pea cut into 4/5 smaller pieces as she's only a tiny fish) and then 5 minutes later it's all back on the bed of the tank.

I'm worried that she's got digestive issues....

In these photo's does she look bloated to anyone else?

I can tell that she's not as bloated as she was before we upped the water temp. but i'm not convinced she's 100% happy.

Can anyone suggest anything?

Many Thanks

Here are the photo's

http://i1044.photobucket.com/albums/...o129/Mona4.jpg
http://i1044.photobucket.com/albums/...o129/Mona3.jpg
http://i1044.photobucket.com/albums/...o129/Mona2.jpg
http://i1044.photobucket.com/albums/...o129/Mona1.jpg

thekoimaiden 08-18-2012 12:59 AM

Hey Rich. Sorry to hear that you are having trouble again. I'll reply in this thread since it has pictures. I'm sorry to say, but your third photo confirms my fears. Those scales poking out are a sign of dropsy. I don't have much experience fighting it, but some people have been able to conquer it. The worst part about is that it's more like a symptom of an illness rather than an actual illness. The white stringy poop sounds like an internal parasite infection. If you can, bring the water temp up to about 25C and add Metronidazole to her food (soak it in that before feeding it to her). If you can get Metro Meds as these have been shown to fight the infection that is causing the dropsy. I wish you the best with Mona.

beano129 08-18-2012 03:06 AM

H Izzy,

Thank you for the message. I really think I'm cursed :-( I just can't seem to catch a break and provide an excellent home for a fish.

Each time I think I've sorted out the tank or fish, something else just seems to happen.

Ok in attempting to save my poor fish I've raised the water temp and I've dosed with wardley promethyasul, it's all my store had so I thought I'd try it.

Can you give me any advice when treating and water changes?

Thank you Izzy.

Rich

thekoimaiden 08-18-2012 11:53 PM

I'm really sorry you've had such a run of bad luck. Dropsy is something really tough to win against.

As for water changes it depends on your medicine. I've had some that instructed me to do extra water changes are part of the dosing routine. If you do water changes that aren't part of the normal routine then you will need to redose the new water with the same amount of medication that you took out. For example, if you do a 50% water change and remove 5 gallons of water, and the medication doses 1 tablet per 10 gallons, you would need to add another half tablet of medication to the water to make up for the medication removed. Did I explain that well enough?

Pearl2011 08-19-2012 12:29 AM

Dropsy sucks, 3 of my goldfish had it, and now two bettas. Apparently fungus cure is a treatment for it. I think that the right name. I'll email my friend about it, was going to get some form her, but got a bit sidetracked. . .
Dropsy is caused my kidney failure, so I dont think there is anything you can really do, I'm so so sorry.

beano129 08-19-2012 01:15 AM

Hi Pearl,

Thank you for your post.

Could the kidney failure have been something I have caused by having the water temperature too cold or over feeding?

Also how long to fish generally continue with dropsy before it gets the better of them?

I really hate the idea of my poor little fishy suffering. :-(

I am treating with wardley promethyasul at the moment which is apparently broard spectrum... Could I be doing anything better?

Thanks you

thekoimaiden 08-19-2012 01:59 AM

The organ failure is usually caused by internal infections. Sometimes there is something you could have done, but sometimes there isn't. A lower than average temp could have caused her immune system to react slower, but there is really no way to tell. It's impossible to pinpoint the exact cause of the dropsy unless an autopsy is done.

A broad spectrum antibiotic is a great thing to try to fight the infection with. Could you tell us the exact type of antibiotics in it? Because you talk about white stringy poop, I think she has an internal parasite infection. Garlic food like New Life Spectrum's Thera A is great for combating internal parasites. Metronidazole is another good anti-parasitic medication.

beano129 08-19-2012 02:15 AM

Hi there Pearl,

The ingredients in the treatment are:-

Mafenide hydrochloride
Aminacrine hydrochloride
Malachite green

I am looking to try and get some PraziPro as I can't seem to find any Metro+ from anywhere... It seems you need a vet prescription for it.

I've recently (within the last month) had Planarian in my tank so I was wondering if my fish may have worms of some variety.

I treated yesterday with the wardley promethyasul am would normally change the water today... I'm wondering about changing and adding some aquarium salt as well. I used to add a teaspoon of salt per 9 litre change as standard but then thought that it would be killing off my plants but until last week I'd been adding salt every weekly change.

If I do a change today could I treat the changed water and could I try some additional treatments mid week if she survives that long?

I think she may be constipated though because I've hardly seen her poo much in the past 7-10 days.

Rich

thekoimaiden 08-19-2012 11:48 AM

As for the Metro+, I'm not surprised. Different countries have different regulations. But getting the Prazi is a great idea as it will get rid of external parasites. Adding salt to your water changes is good, too. Unless the medications say not to mix with salt. I know Prazi and salt are fine together.

If she survives the week, treating her with something else sounds like a great idea. If you can get them, Maracyn plus and Maracyn 1 & 2 would b great to treat her with. But I still think antiparasitic meds are going to be the way to go.

Olympia 08-19-2012 02:00 PM

Wow, I'm sorry it's come to this.. Poor girl, I hope she feels better soon. :-(


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