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deniz 10-29-2006 09:08 AM

snail and frog in tank
i have 5 goldfish about 3cm to 9cm big also 2 algae eaters i have just addedd 2 dwarf frogs and a golden apple snail to the tank. the pet shop said i would have no problems with them in there but as soon as i put the snail in one of the smallest fish ate his tenticles off. one of the frogs dissappered but i found him hidden part under the gravel and the other frog i found half sucked into the filter. i have a large tank with a good sized filter. i managed to free him and he seems ok. but am i gonna keep have these problems

Lupin 10-29-2006 09:23 AM

Hi and welcome aboard, Deniz.:wave:

What is the size of your tank? I'd like to determine this one as I am surprised you also have algae eaters(which I assume are Chinese Algae Eater :blueshake: ).

Regarding the Chinese Algae Eater(CAE), this fish have a tendency to eat algae when young but as they mature, they become territorial and will develop a taste for slime coat and this is where the goldfish's future lies.:blink: Being sluggish, the goldfish will obviously get their slime coat sucked by CAEs which is plainly annoying and make them prone to diseases. CAEs can reach 25 cm as adults and are not suitable with goldfish.

What kind of dwarf frogs do you have? The clawed ones? I hope not. They are known to be vicious as far as I have heard.

Pls do not try to listen to everything your lfs said. You could be in trouble and you don't know it especially when they try to assure you that you'll be fine. Take note that when you ask to test your tank water to your lfs, let them write the exact figures. Even better, buy your own test kit(in liquid form) so you'll have more accurate results as the lfs will not always jot down the exact figures and will use an out-of-date test kit or test strips which are not accurate.

Good luck.:D

deniz 10-29-2006 09:48 AM

hi ya :D my tank is 48x18x11 so it is fairly large no the dwarfs are not the clawed type. i ghave had the algea eaters now for about 2 years the are about 5cm long. they have never been a problem to the fish as yet but just a bit concerned they might be to the frogs. i have taken the frogs out for now until i know what is best for them. if it means buying another tank for them i will.

Lupin 10-29-2006 09:51 AM

Hi Deniz.:wave:

Algae eaters at 5 cm? Can you post a pic?:) I have a feeling they're Otocinclus species.:shock2:

deniz 10-29-2006 10:00 AM

sorry i got it they are bigger then 5 cm i have no means of taking a pic at the mo but i found this pic of mine on the net

Lupin 10-29-2006 10:10 AM

There is a warning posted in that article which is actually correct.

Algae eaters should not be kept by beginners or in a community aquarium with delicate fish. As adults, they can be aggressive to other tankmates and should be housed with large, tough fish or as a single species in the aquarium.
Unfortunately, your goldfish will be future victims unless you get rid of those fish.

Deniz, you have to get rid of those fish once they begin to mature. Best to do it sooner than later.

deniz 10-29-2006 10:16 AM

thank you very much for your advice i think i will house my frogs seperatly and my fish are pretty tough but as soon as i see a problem i will definatly remove the algea eaters..

bettababy 10-30-2006 02:30 AM

The dwarf frogs should have a warmer temp than the goldfish. Goldfish thrive in the 60's, the dwarf frogs thrive in the upper 70's. They're cool little things, but they are very weak in nature, sensitive to water quality, and can be quite difficult to feed properly. Their main diet is live food, black/blood worms, and if its not live food, it is difficult for them to find it. The frogs will occupy similar territory to the algae eaters, and as others have posted, their aggressive nature will begin wiping out your fish... also your frogs. The frogs would be safer and happier if moved to a tropical tank with small peaceful fish and a lot of hiding places.
Because goldfish grow so fast and so large, water quality can be hard to keep up with. Watch the frogs, for as soon as ammonia levels spike, the frogs begin to deveolp sores on their bodies. I have seen very few survive a nitrite spike. Frequent water changes will be a must, but the frogs will still be safer in a different environment.

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