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LyzzaRyzz 06-26-2012 10:52 PM

Stocking 45 gallon, Guppies main attraction, Wanna help? =]
So, i got a used 45 gallon, its cycling now.

I have nine guppies [3m6f] in my qt tank, a bn pleco, and a rubber nose pleco.

I know the guppies are going to breed, But i have a betta, two ACF's and a cray fish that will eat the babies. Still, id like to leave a bit of room in case i get a few more guppies, or if i decide to keep a few of the babies.

As far as i know, guppies are generally mid to high level swimmers. i have only had them in a 10 , 14 and a 24 gallon, and they are all the same hieght. But they were all over the tank..
Im assuming, in a tank thats 21 inches tall, that they guppies will be mid range swimmers?

Another fish i love, is the rosy red minnow. I know its a feeder fish, but i really like thier mouths, and their personalities. I have one of the 45 feeder fishi bought still alive. Shes actually helping my cycle my tank.
Id really like to get a group of them, maybe five or six. To get that many though, to survive? Thats gonna take alotta fishes! Good thing there 10 for $1.25! I know these guys poop alot [or at least mine did!] But im already going to be doing daily gravel cleanings because of the plecos.

So, thats my plan for my tank.

Im thinking id like to add a few more species?

Which species would you guys choose?

Chesh 06-27-2012 04:44 AM

Hello again! Those guppies will be zooming ALL over that tank, I'm sure! I guess they are considered mid to high, but in my experience, that doesn't matter much!

Before most people on here will be comfortable giving you advice, they'll want to know a bit more about your water. Do you know if you have hard or soft water? What temperature do you keep your water?

With minnows and guppies, I'd think your water is on the hard side?

LyzzaRyzz 06-27-2012 07:28 PM

Yes, my water is on the hard side. I dont know the gh or the kh, since noone at my town hall will call me back!
The ph of my tank is 7, but comes out of the tap at 8.8.

The temperature is easily changable, as right now, i just have a 20 gallon heater, and its a 76, though i am getting a 300 watt heater in the next week.

I cant wait to add the guppies, [but i will!]! I just know they will be so happy!

I was at my lps, and they have a whole bunch of gouramis! The kinds they have are blue, paradise, imp dwarf and gold. Im pretty sure they can order me other kinds...

Ill be looking at the profiles now!

Chesh 06-27-2012 08:44 PM

Congrats on a nice big tank without a mirror behind it, lol! That makes things ever so much easier for you!

Gourami are GORGEOUS fish, though they do prefer softer water, from what I understand. If you do decide to get one, keep it in a QT tank for longer than you would another type of fish. They have a nasty habit of being sick - especially the dwarf varieties! From what I understand - gourami are best to add to an already established tank, and they do like things to be well-planted. Since you're interested in breeding (I thought I read on one of your other threads?) you should be sure to get some floating plants for the fry to hide in (at least until you can pick them out), as well as to provide shade and shelter to the other fish you keep.

Since your water is on the hard side, and you have Mollies already (I LOVE LOVE LOVE MOLLIES!), perhaps you should stick with the fish that prefer your type of water - or even live-bearers? A few Platy would be a lovely addition to a live-bearer tank, as well as swordtails. And if you can find Endler's guppies - those little guys are just STUNNING!

All of these together would give you a very active and colorful tank! I can't wait to see what you come up with - keep us posted, k?

LyzzaRyzz 06-27-2012 11:01 PM

I actually had to get rid of the mollies, as my tank was too small. Low and behold, three days later, i get a bigger tank!
I was thinking about platies, but ive read they are notorious fry eaters.
I do love the mollies, and might end up getting a few of them again. =]

Though i do like the idea of smaller fish, with one bigger fish.
I read some of the gouramis are better kept without other gouramis?
Which gouramis are best singularly? And not eat my gups!

I was thinking maybe a honey gourami, but arent they better in groups?
How many to a group? Male to female ratio?

Im still a ways away from getting any additional fish, though would a ten gallon QT be okay for a gourami?
Im pretty sad that dwarfs are often sick...i dont want to risk missing an illness that could wipe out my tank.
How long would i have to QT for?

LyzzaRyzz 06-27-2012 11:27 PM

I completely forgot, I would really like to have some cory cats in my tank. My boyfriend gthinks they are so cute! Im getting sand for them, so, id like to add them to my plan..=] Probably a group of six or seven?

Chesh 06-27-2012 11:45 PM

Umm, how long have you had your guppies? Cuz' in MY experience, Guppies are EVIL when it comes to obliterating their own offspring! I had 4 females in a tank that kept popping out babies despite the lack of a male - over a period of MONTHS. And this tank was planted fairly well!!! It got to the point that I didn't have to feed them anymore. . . they just fed themselves with their own fry. Awful, isn't it? I've even had a guppy jump INTO a breeder basket and gobble up the babies that were supposed to be 'safe.' I'm not the biggest fan of guppies - they don't live with me anymore.

Never had Platy, so I'll have to let someone else comment here, but if they're anywhere near as voracious as the gups. . . nomnomnom BABIES! *rolls eyes at live-bearers*

Bummer that you gave up your Mollies. They are one of my favorite fish. Mine are playful and silly, and full of personality. . . oddly enough, after the initial fry or two, they showed NO interest in devouring their own offspring. I was able to leave their fry go grow up with mom and dad in tank, and they've grown into beautiful little creatures. This is just my experience, though, Mollies are just as capable as any of the others as far as eating fry are concerned. Guess mine are well-fed and lazy :)

I'd go 2 months on QT for a gourami - JUST to be on the safe side, and I'd think you'd be fine with a 10g for a QT area. :) I'm not really sure which to recommend to you, perhaps there is a type out there that is more tolerant of harder water? Hopefully someone can help you out better here!

Corydoras ARE cute, and best kept in shoals - a group of 6 or 7 will be nice, but these also prefer softer water than your guppies. You'll have to be mindful that they're getting their fare share of food. Guppies are greedy eaters, and fast - while the cats are bottom feeders. Just be aware, should you choose to take that route, and be sure to get sinking pellets for them and distract the guppies with flake food, so the cats get a chance to eat in peace...

LyzzaRyzz 06-28-2012 12:00 AM

I actually will need to get more mollies, how could i have forgotten?! I have a single female molly fry that survived the first birth in my tank. Shes 19 days old now, and her two guppy girl frys are 18.
Shes so cute, a dalmation to boot!

I really hope i get ahold of SOMEONE who knows the gh/kh of my water...My dad said he got it tested years ago, and again a few years ago, and my water was hard. But knowing the actual numbers is a different story.

So, since gouramis and cories are softer water ='[ What other kinds of fish could i put in the tank?

The stocking i have so far is 10-12 guppies, three-four mollies, a bn pleco and a rn pleco. I am thinking of returning the rn pleco for another opposite sex bn pleco, but im not too sure.

LyzzaRyzz 06-28-2012 12:02 AM

and ive had the gups for about three weeks now, some of my females look ready to split thier seams! I didnt know guppies actively sought out their young...Im going to really have to watch them! I need those babies! lol

Chesh 06-28-2012 12:11 AM

LOL! How could ANYONE forget that they NEED MOLLIES!!!? *luffs Mollies* Mine are dalmatians, too - SO cute! I'm working on a plot to get them into their own hard water tank, as my water is soft. I got them before I knew any better. They seem to be doing well (Mollies are notorious for the ability to thrive in almost any water), but I want them to be at their optimum happiness, so will find a way to make hard/salinated water happen for them.

I am REALLY glad to see you're looking into harder water options. It really will be best for the fish, and for you - because a fish that is optimally suited to your water WILL be happier and more vibrant than the other way around. I know people do it all the time, but it's best not to. Of course, I have soft water, so I'm not really going to be too much help in offering suggestions there. But I KNOW they're out there!

API has a GH/KH test kit for fairly cheap - I paid around $7ish for mine. If they don't sell it in your fish shop, you can order it online - I know Amazon has it. It's a very simple test, and it's good to have on-hand. When I went through this, my city water representatives didn't actually have an answer. They don't know much about water, it seems - I wasted a lot of time speaking to supervisors and supervisors of supervisors and waiting for call backs before figured that out!

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