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LyzzaRyzz 06-21-2012 11:15 PM

What the H**L is happening to my fish???
Here are two videos that I just took of the fish that have been in my QT tank for about a week. Theyve all been fine up until just now.
I will be filling out the fact sheet, just figured to get replies quicker, put the videos out first..

fish freakout - YouTube

rest of fish in freakout - YouTube

LyzzaRyzz 06-21-2012 11:58 PM

1. Size of tank? 10 gallons

2. Water parameters
a. Ammonia? tad bit darker than 0, but definitely not .25
b. Nitrite? 0
c. Nitrate? between 0-5
d. pH, KH and GH? 7, unknown
e. Test kit? API master kit

3. Temperature? NINETY SIX ****

4. FW (fresh water) or BW (brackish)? Freshwater

5. How long the aquarium has been set up? about six months

6. What fish do you have? How many are in your tank? How big are they? How long have you had them?
This is my QT tank. about a week and a half ago, i bought nine guppies, four male, five female. One male died the first night, another to what i believe was culminaris[?]. Two were added to my main tank, one is in a seperate tank, and there is now four in the QT tank. Not because they werent healthy, i didnt want to over laod my bioload in my main tank.
Two days ago, i got a one inch bristle nose pleco, and a 1.5 inch rubber nose. They will be going into separate tanks.
There are also a few ghost shrimp.
7. Were the fish placed under quarantine period (minus the first batch from the point wherein the tank is ready to accommodate the inhabitants)? This is the QT tank.

8. a. Any live plants? Fake plants? There are fake plants, and a lava rock with green hair algea on it.
b. Sand, gravel, barebottom? Bare bottom
c. Rocks, woods, fancy decors? Any hollow decors? ^^

9. a. Filtration? a ten gallon sponge filter
b. Heater? yes, though it is unplugged, because the temperature was 96 degrees. Ive had a bit of a problem with keeping the temperature stable, as the heater is unadjustable, but the real problem is the weather. I live in Rhode Island, and the weather is really unpredictable. four or five days ago, it was really cold, and they temp in the tank was around 74. Then it heat up, and it seemed to stay steadyish at 77. but the past two days its been really really hot, and the temperature of the tank went up to 86, and seemed to stay there. Ive read that is the max temp for most fish. The fish are in a second floor walk up, though the room does have a window, and with the window open, it gets a little bit of a breeze. My mom insisted tonight that that window being open, with the door closed, is causing the cool air on the first floor to escape. So she made me close the window. i believe the window closing trapped the heat,and upped the temperature. That was at ten o clock. Its now 1 am, and ive been working trying to get the temperature down for about an hour. The max temperature that it read was 96 degrees

10. a. Lighting schedule? What lights are used? desk lamp, ten hours a day
b. Any sunlight exposure? How long?

11. a. Water change schedule? every two days
b. Volume of water changed? 10-25 %
c. Well water, tap water, RO water? tap
d. Water conditioner used? API stress coat
e. Frequency of gravel/sand (if any) vacuumed? two or three times a day

12. Foods? tetra start tropical granules /now with the plecos, algea discs
How often are they fed? a pinch twice a day, a half a disc, broke in half at night

13. a. Any abnormal signs/symptoms? Wierd flippin gmotions, signs of stress, two females sitting at the top of the water..see video
b. Appearance of poop? yes
c. Appearance of gills? all the gills seem to be looking alright, i havent seen any spots or threadlike anything. The male i saw the first symptoms in is seperated in a bowl, but still in the tank. I may have saw rough scales right behind his dorsal fin, but that could be because he was twisting around

14. a. Have you treated your fish ahead of diagnosis? there is about t spn off AQ salt already in the water for preventative measures
b. What meds were used?

15. Insert photos of fish in question and full tank shot if necessary.


I am not sure that the temperature did this.
Could it be a later reaction to something the plecos brought in? They are acting normal!

onefish2fish 06-22-2012 06:49 AM

if i had to guess it would be the temp, the rest seems fine. after watching the first video i think that fish was unhealthy to begin with. swimming in circles and it kind of looks to have a bent body?

is there anyway to aim a fan at the surface of the tank? this will increase your evaporation but help cool the water a bit.

Boscobear 06-22-2012 07:09 AM

96 degree water, that would make me swim like that too. Guess you can remove the fish, and make tea, its hot enough

LyzzaRyzz 06-22-2012 11:06 AM

Two fish have died, and the original male had some raised scales under its dorsal fin, and pretty much as I watched, it got puffy, and more raised..I think the temp sent what I think was external parasites into over drive...
There is still a female, who I believe I'll lose soon enough, and three other fish who have yet to show symptoms. I've used 1.5 table poons of AQ salt, to help ward off the parasites...

The temp is now down to 84 degrees, thank god..after spending all night trying to get it down!!
I can't believe that two hours could turn my tank into such a hot box!!

Boscobear 06-22-2012 11:53 AM

I may be mistaken, but you probably cooked the parasites too. Don't know how fast you could have dropped the temps. If you change the temperature too fast that would really kill the fish. Just let it drop naturally like you have been doing.

You may need one of those alert alarms. They buzz if the temperature rises.

LyzzaRyzz 06-22-2012 12:31 PM

Well, I hope I cooked the parasites!
That would be wonderful! Not so wonderful for the fish, but I still have three guppies and my two plecos to worry about.
What are signs that plecos are infected? I'm a bit lost cause they don't typically act like normal fish!

marshallsea 06-22-2012 01:27 PM

if you have an air bubbler that might help with oxygen levels in hot water. crank it up.

Geomancer 06-22-2012 01:58 PM

I agree, temperature is likely your problem. I'd also avoid using aquarium salt unless you know for sure the fish can take it (few freshwater can).

If I remember right from reading up on it awhile ago, it 'helps' by stressing the fish and iritating them so they up the creation of their slime coat. More stress is the opposite of what you need with that hot of water =o That's getting close to a hot tub.

The temp is your immediate concern, get that under control then figure out how to handle any disseases that have cropped up due to the high stress. But without fixing the stress, you won't be able to fix the illnesses. Keep your lights off too, that will ease some stress plus lights generate heat.

LyzzaRyzz 06-22-2012 02:29 PM

I have put a big box fan blowing right at it, and moved the lap a bit aways from the tank. I have to still have it on, since its the only light in the room.
The temp is now seeming to be steady at 84. I know thats a bit high, but guppies and a bn pleco and a rubbernose can take that temperature, correct?
I have already used to AQ salt, will those species tolerate it? I am reluctant to do a big water change to get the salt out, as i dont want the temperature to fluctuate so much....

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