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fish_4_all 12-31-2007 02:23 PM

Reptile sand for substrate?
 
I am planning to get Kuhliis and I want to get sand. The quesiton is, will reptile sand, stirred by an army of MTS, be safe to use for plants? I really want to be able to leave my anubias rooted where I want to keep it. I know some people think that Anubias roots don't improve growth but I do. Being able to leave the largest Anubias I have in place and not remove it would be a huge bonus as my Nana growth 3 times faster when it can take root and stays put.

I have now: Bacopa caroliniana, Ludwigia, Crypt Lucens, Nana and Afzelli Anubias, H. difformis. Will be getting a bunch of other plants soon.

Also, My LFS keeps telling me that small gravel is fine for Kuhliis but everyone recommends sand. Is it that the Kuhliis prefer it or is it prefered by the keeper? I imagine that the Kuhliis have an easier time getting into and out of sand but would it be safer to use fine gravel as it would allow for circulation and maybe prevent the kuhliis from being killed if they hit a dead spot?

herefishy 01-01-2008 12:21 AM

I see no problems using herp sand. I don't know for sure and am shaking some cages to make sure. The problem I see using it for plants is the fact that sand is so fine that plants may not be able to get a firm footing.

The-Wolf 01-01-2008 03:01 AM

I see a problem.
many sands produced for herps have calcium added,
this could lead to a higher than normal pH, ok in a rift
lake set up but not for most community ones

Lupin 01-01-2008 06:33 AM

Re: Reptile sand for Kuhliis?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fish_4_all
My LFS keeps telling me that small gravel is fine for Kuhliis but everyone recommends sand. Is it that the Kuhliis prefer it or is it prefered by the keeper? I imagine that the Kuhliis have an easier time getting into and out of sand but would it be safer to use fine gravel as it would allow for circulation and maybe prevent the kuhliis from being killed if they hit a dead spot?

Kuhlis love to bury under sand hence the keeper goes for sand to satisfy the kuhlis although fine gravel works just as well. The additional MTS may prevent any resulting dead spots.

Amphitrite 01-01-2008 06:57 AM

I have kept khulies in both sand and gravel. I started them off with gravel, and found them to be much less active and hid away a lot. When I changed to sand the difference was amazing. They love to dig about, and come out in the open much more than they did previously. As for dead spots, to avoid this just rake through the sand at each water change with a plastic fork.

herefishy 01-01-2008 11:03 AM

Just recieved a phone call from my lfs guru. He ditto'd Wolfs reply. He said that a fine silica sand would suffice. He also added that laterite, or some other substrate additive, may also be added for the plants without harming the loaches.

Herp sand would be ok for a Rift Lake tank of cichlids and other species from that area.

fish_4_all 01-01-2008 04:32 PM

Just to make sure, the GH, KH and pH are gonna go up which is no big deal for plants but the Kuhliis may not like it, correct?

The main reason I asked about dead spots is because I got spots even using my standard clown puke gravel that would release air when I did a gravel vac. 90% of them were around or actually under the plants. None if it was smelling bad so I assume it is just air and not sulfur. Will sand make this worse or will between the plant roots, the MTS and the Kuhliis, as well as stirring what I can, keep any anarobic spots from forming?

herefishy 01-01-2008 09:54 PM

Some plants prefer softer water, some prefer a more alkaline condition. So, it just depends. I should be a politician, huh?


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