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Altohombre 12-31-2007 11:10 AM

Skimmer advice for 46g bow front. New user to saltwater.
 
I have a 10g freshwater tank and just got a 46g bow front for Christmas. I am planning for it to be a FOWLR tank. From reading another site I was convinced the AquaC Remora Protein Skimmer with Maxi-Jet 1200 was the way to go, however reading Caferacer's statements I am not so sure this is a good investment due to cleaning and overflowing. I am trying to stay under $200 which is much higher than I ever thought something like this would be. I am also looking for heater. Any recommendations for these?

caferacermike 12-31-2007 12:56 PM

Re: Skimmer advice for 46g bow front. New user to saltwater.
 
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Originally Posted by Altohombre
I am not so sure this is a good investment due to cleaning and overflowing. I am trying to stay under $200 which is much higher than I ever thought something like this would be.


LOL, again LOL again.... My latest Euroreef was about $6,500 new plus $2,800 in Eheim upgrades. Not including shipping. The Deltec I want for another project is about $2,100 delivered.

$200 spending limit? USED. Ebay, ReefCentral classifieds, Craigslist, local clubs or forums.

Are you planning on running a sump? If not, you probably know I HATE HOT skimmers for several reasons. The biggest is of course for whatever reason your skimmer may suddenly suck the water from your tank and put it all over the floor. Second reason is that most HOT skimmers don't actually pull floating proteins from the water, they pull from the biddle of the tank.

If I had to buy a HOT skimmers it would be the Deltec MCE300 or 600 for your tank. Deltec actually works. http://www.deltecusa.us/proteinskimmers/mce300.php

If money is a problem and or an HOT is necessary, I shudder to say, the Coralife skimmer might be for you. They are awkward, bulky, and ugly as all heck but work ok. People have been giving them away for free on my local forum when they upgrade.

This is the CSS220 on Ebay... http://cgi.ebay.com/Coralife-Super-S...sid=p1638.m118
I would avoid the 65, and the 125 as I've heard several complaints about them. The 220 has been stated to be the only one worth buying. I guarantee that this will out perform the AquaC 50:1.

Altohombre 12-31-2007 01:33 PM

What non HOT protein skimmer would you recommend for a new user then. I am overwhelmed by all the sump, refugium, wet/dry, canister, LR + LS versus mechanical filtration stuff. I have been to it seems every website and forum and people all over recommend totally different things or try to compare their equipment purchases for their 125 gallon tank with my 46 gallon tank. If you could give me a list of what you would think the average saltwater fish tank user would buy for my size tank and the average spending limits I would appreciate it greatly. I need help in all departments so I rundown of things would be great. Thanks

caferacermike 12-31-2007 03:10 PM

50g Fowlr.

>tank, stand, 1-2" of aragonite sand only for aesthetics.
>Eheim 2217 canister filter. $119 online. This will be your biological and mech filtration. Clean it often. (I generally only recommend this for "fish only tanks", not reefs). You could buy the smaller 2215 but for a couple bucks more, go big. Buy big and quality so it lasts and can be used on your next tank.
http://www.bigalsonline.com/BigAlsUS...ter2217pluskit
>A sump, be it super nice or a plain ol 30g tank. Found this earlier on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/Refugium-Sump-We...QQcmdZViewItem

>You'll probably need a HOT overflow. About $30-65. 900GPH. Here is one I used. http://cgi.ebay.com/AQUARIUM-OVERFLO...QQcmdZViewItem
>Eheim 1260 return pump. $119 http://www.bigalsonline.com/BigAlsUS...mhobbypump1260
>good skimmer, I'd choose an ASM G2 or Euroreef RS80. The G2 is a large skimmer but it will last and you can keep it around for your 150g tank you'll buy sooner or later.

ASM G2,
http://cgi.ebay.com/New-ASM-G-2-Prot...sid=p1638.m118

ER RS80, A lot higher build quality but a little smaller and more expensive, http://cgi.ebay.com/Euro-Reef-Protei...QQcmdZViewItem



I've seen these units on Ebay for a long time. Not the highest quality pieces, you'll end up replacing the pumps within the year. The nice things are that you'll already have an idea of how everything works together, comes with a CSS skimmer, and a refugium. The fuge will help extract algae causing excess nutrients. I've never received this kit, nor have I any feed back.


http://cgi.ebay.com/300-Gallon-Aquar...QQcmdZViewItem

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The items above are a bit more expensive, I realize you are on a budget, but they will last you years and years compared to a year. You can compare other items to what was listed replacing items for like items. Some thigns could be transfered to a "reef" tank if you change directions later, some will be omitted. Hope this helps as a start. I realize this stuff isn't cheap. Cheap stuff is generally, well cheap. I have probably $10,000 wrapped into my 75g tank and that increases every week. I know for a fact that my 400g build has set me back close to $12,000 and most equipment is used. It would have set me back closer to $30,000. Keep us up to date.

jtma508 01-03-2008 02:08 PM

I'm considering moving from freshwater to marine. Is there a type of protein skimmer that I can plumb in-line with my cannister filter system (Nu-Clear) or that is a free-standing (as oppsoed to sump or HOT) system? It would be supoorting a 90gal bowfront.

caferacermike 01-03-2008 06:16 PM

No. Not a reasonable price. You need to have a sump for the water to discharge into. Bets bet if you don't want a sump would be a HOT skimmer.

Skimmers, unlike a canister filter, is an open system. IF you pressurized them they will overflow. I've seen people make attempts to match a feed pump and then use the same pump attached to the output and try to force the water back into the tank. Does not work. If you had a power outage, even a blip, you'd empty your tank through the skimmer all over the floor.

If you had a sump for the discharge you could push the water through the canister using it's pump and then put the discharge of the filter into a feed hole to a recirculating type skimmer instead of a feed pump, but it would still need to drain into a sump.

SKAustin 01-03-2008 06:25 PM

Re: Skimmer advice for 46g bow front. New user to saltwater.
 
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Originally Posted by caferacermike
Coralife skimmer....... People have been giving them away for free on my local forum when they upgrade.

?? Really ??

I'm in need of a collection cup for a 125 if you happen to be able to get your hands on one Mike. I have a spare superskimmer 125 that I cant get rid of without a good cup.


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