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marshallsea 05-28-2012 11:11 PM

feeding questions
 
ive read that a lot of people feed a varied diet. what does that mean, specifically? is it different foods in one day or different foods on different days? i have nls, omega 1 flakes, peas and zucchini. i usually just grab whatever and feed it in no certain pattern. i have 3 platys in one tank, 2 goldfish in another. should i be feeding the goldfish goldfish flakes? any suggestions on a feeding pattern? i am interested in what you feed and how you vary it. thanks

DKRST 05-29-2012 12:44 AM

I think when people suggest feeding a "varied" diet, it means mixing in some live foods, freeze-dried, and/or frozen foods once in a while. Variety can be helpful to encourage vigorous feeding. Any brand-name flake foods will have the essential vitamins, minerals, etc. for healthy fish, but fish fed a variety seem to have better color, better growth, and more frequent breeding! No magic to the schedule, just mix them in when you can. I use flakes and then "vary" the food every couple of days or so with a brine shrimp feeding, tubifex, or bloodworms. You don't actually want to overfeed the "alternate" foods, that can cause digestive issues sometimes.

marshallsea 05-29-2012 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DKRST (Post 1098983)
I think when people suggest feeding a "varied" diet, it means mixing in some live foods, freeze-dried, and/or frozen foods once in a while. Variety can be helpful to encourage vigorous feeding. Any brand-name flake foods will have the essential vitamins, minerals, etc. for healthy fish, but fish fed a variety seem to have better color, better growth, and more frequent breeding! No magic to the schedule, just mix them in when you can. I use flakes and then "vary" the food every couple of days or so with a brine shrimp feeding, tubifex, or bloodworms. You don't actually want to overfeed the "alternate" foods, that can cause digestive issues sometimes.

thank you

AbbeysDad 05-29-2012 11:39 AM

Back in the day (he said as he paused rocking in his chair ;-)) nearly all fish foods were of somewhat low quality and using different brands helped ensure a more balanced diet. There were few, if any, frozen foods available. I believe we have many, much higher quality fish foods today. I personally prefer the fish foods that are made from fresh food grade fish rather than fish meal. There is a lengthy thread on this subject.
Having 'said' that, there is still room for variety. I feed my fish frozen brine shrimp (thawed of course) following weekly water changes and it's like a feeding frenzy.
You also should continue feeding vegetables (I feed veggie flakes made from kelp) to ensure the kids are getting their veggies.
And yes, I think it's a good idea to feed goldfish foods designed for goldfish.

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marshallsea 05-29-2012 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AbbeysDad (Post 1099219)
Back in the day (he said as he paused rocking in his chair ;-)) nearly all fish foods were of somewhat low quality and using different brands helped ensure a more balanced diet. There were few, if any, frozen foods available. I believe we have many, much higher quality fish foods today. I personally prefer the fish foods that are made from fresh food grade fish rather than fish meal. There is a lengthy thread on this subject.
Having 'said' that, there is still room for variety. I feed my fish frozen brine shrimp (thawed of course) following weekly water changes and it's like a feeding frenzy.
You also should continue feeding vegetables (I feed veggie flakes made from kelp) to ensure the kids are getting their veggies.
And yes, I think it's a good idea to feed goldfish foods designed for goldfish.

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ive read latley that some freeze dried bloodworms are passing on parasites. ida thought being dried would kill parasites but articles on internet say otherwise. any thoughts?

thekoimaiden 05-29-2012 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by marshallsea (Post 1099399)
ive read latley that some freeze dried bloodworms are passing on parasites. ida thought being dried would kill parasites but articles on internet say otherwise. any thoughts?

I don't think the freeze-dried food would pass on parasites, but frozen food can.

A note about goldfish flakes. If you have fancy goldfish you should not feed them flakes as these often lead to bloat and swim bladder issues. They should be fed sinking pellets. New Life Spectrum is the best pellet for for goldfish on the market, but it doesn't sufficiently satisfy their need for greens. You should supplement the diet with greens like zucchini, kale, and spinach. Peas are not a great staple food as they are high in sugar, but they make a good occasional treat. I like to make my own food as this covers their nutritional needs better than any commercial food. I can give you the recipe if you like.

marshallsea 05-29-2012 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by thekoimaiden (Post 1099661)
I don't think the freeze-dried food would pass on parasites, but frozen food can.

A note about goldfish flakes. If you have fancy goldfish you should not feed them flakes as these often lead to bloat and swim bladder issues. They should be fed sinking pellets. New Life Spectrum is the best pellet for for goldfish on the market, but it doesn't sufficiently satisfy their need for greens. You should supplement the diet with greens like zucchini, kale, and spinach. Peas are not a great staple food as they are high in sugar, but they make a good occasional treat. I like to make my own food as this covers their nutritional needs better than any commercial food. I can give you the recipe if you like.

please, i would love that! how do i tell if they are fancy? one is orange and white with flowing fins. other is black and bug eyed

thekoimaiden 05-29-2012 09:40 PM

The fancy goldfish are the kind that have double tails and kinda bulb-shaped bodies. Non-fancy goldfish (sometimes called commons, comets, or shubunkins) will have a sleek body and not a double tail. The goldfish in my signature is a fancy goldfish. Non-fancy goldfish will look more like a koi.

I'm thinking you have a black moor and a red and white ryukin.

This is the recipe I use, but there are others (some of which are more difficult to make) here: GAB Gel Food Recipes

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Originally Posted by wendylove @ the GAB
6 jars of baby food, garden vegetables 4 ounce size
can of salmon [small can tuna sized]
cup of boiling water
4 packets unflavored gelatin
1 multi vitamin (without iron)
1 acidophilus (optional)

Boil the water, add the gelatin stir till dissolved.
Chop the salmon into tiny bits
Add the baby food and the salmon.
Dissolve the multi vitamin and acidophilus (optional) in a tablespoon of water, add.
Refrigerate till set then cut into cubes.
You can add a half cup or so of finely chopped veggies to this mix as well.

I made this recipe about 2 months ago, and I'm not all the way through the batch with my two piggy goldfish. It should last me another 2-3 months.

marshallsea 05-29-2012 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by thekoimaiden (Post 1099959)
The fancy goldfish are the kind that have double tails and kinda bulb-shaped bodies. Non-fancy goldfish (sometimes called commons, comets, or shubunkins) will have a sleek body and not a double tail. The goldfish in my signature is a fancy goldfish. Non-fancy goldfish will look more like a koi.

I'm thinking you have a black moor and a red and white ryukin.

This is the recipe I use, but there are others (some of which are more difficult to make) here: GAB Gel Food Recipes



I made this recipe about 2 months ago, and I'm not all the way through the batch with my two piggy goldfish. It should last me another 2-3 months.

thank you so much and two goldfish thank you!!!! can i assume this is a complete diet? at the risk of sounding dumb, what is acidophilus?

thekoimaiden 05-29-2012 10:12 PM

It's got the greens and the fish protein. The multivitamin is optional, too. I use it because my fish have a calcium deficiency. Acidophilus is a gut-bacteria supplement. I don't use it because I don't know how well these things actually work.

When feeding gel food it's easiest to hand-feed. Basically you train your fish to eat from your hands. It's a great way to make sure everyone gets their fare share.


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