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Porch Pond in TX heat?
Old 06-18-2011, 11:47 PM   #1
 
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Question Porch Pond in TX heat?

Wondering if its possible to do something like a pond on my 2nd story apt patio/balcony. I would NOT be able to run any electric to it though, and the TX heat in the summer is often over 100F (ugh, like the 104F we had today!).

I was thinking of doing something like one of those 20g round plastic buckets with the rope handles, or a 20g square rubbermaid tub. And of course filling it with pond plants (like lotus and such, even though a lotus would outgrow it, my dad has a 1200g pond so I can always give it to him).

Would the water be too stagnant? Would water changes weekly or bi-weekly be enough to combat this? And would it be possible to stick a fish or two in it without any filtration and the hot hot hot weather (doubtful I am sure)???

Thanks for helping with my brainstorm!!!
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Old 06-20-2011, 12:27 AM   #2
 
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I hony doubt that would work. At anything about 86*F, the dissolved oxygen is too low for most fish, even tropical. I live in East Texas (where the humidity is so thick it slaps you in the face), and whenver my tanks get over 84, it is time to through in the airstones and pull out the backup pumps. With stagnet water, it is only diffusing by the surface. With no help from an airstone, or heavy filter, the water will probably end up being lethal.

Lakes are deep, fish can swim downwards. It gets cooler as it gets lower. They are also able to take in more oxygen while swimming in open waters. That is also essential.

That might work some other time of the year, but he where I live (in Texas), it has not been under 80*F at night, and not under 100 (peak) at day, with the thrown in 110's we have been having here (115*F the other day).

There may be some way to do it. Plants will help oxygenate the water, but I don't think it would be nearly enough to get the DO at a suitable, stable level. I don't think it would work.

Just my thoughts.
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Old 06-20-2011, 12:41 AM   #3
 
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Yeah, I'm not far from East Texas...I'm just outside of Dallas (minutes from DFW Airport), so I know all about that face-slapping humidity! LOL

Yeah, I figured as much. I hadnt done any research on the idea. But a small fishless pond with aquatic & semi-aquatic plants would be okay though w/o an airstone or anything, right?? I mean, then my wild birds (mostly Mockingbirds & Finches) could use it as a bird bath as well.
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Old 06-20-2011, 12:57 AM   #4
 
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For a bird bath, sure. For a fish tank.....

When my room is 90*F, my tanks are 86. When my room is 95, some of my tanks are almost 90. That is *really* bad. I am suprised I haven't lost any fish to heat yet. I think it is going to end up getting WAY too hot for any tropical fish. Heat recomendations aren't only because of DO levels, they also are related to metabolism. Fish are coldblooded, so the hotter it gets, the higher their metabolism goes. They can kill themselves if they get too high. High metabolism also causes excessive waste, fish lacking enough oxygen, etc.

I honestly don't think it would work with any amount of air-filtration with 100+ degree weather outside. At least not in a 20 gallon tub. Black also absorbs heat, making it WAY hotter, and also direct sunlight freaks out many species of fish (I don't know if your fish could sun in that spot).

I am not an expert on the subject, but I wouldn't think a setup in those conditions would work very well.
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Old 06-20-2011, 04:21 AM   #5
 
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For a bird bath, sure. For a fish tank.....

When my room is 90*F, my tanks are 86. When my room is 95, some of my tanks are almost 90. That is *really* bad. I am suprised I haven't lost any fish to heat yet. I think it is going to end up getting WAY too hot for any tropical fish. Heat recomendations aren't only because of DO levels, they also are related to metabolism. Fish are coldblooded, so the hotter it gets, the higher their metabolism goes. They can kill themselves if they get too high. High metabolism also causes excessive waste, fish lacking enough oxygen, etc.

I honestly don't think it would work with any amount of air-filtration with 100+ degree weather outside. At least not in a 20 gallon tub. Black also absorbs heat, making it WAY hotter, and also direct sunlight freaks out many species of fish (I don't know if your fish could sun in that spot).

I am not an expert on the subject, but I wouldn't think a setup in those conditions would work very well.
Well my indoor tanks are on heaters year-round, I cant stand heat, so my apartment is always between 65-70F at the max.

Yeah, I get the metabolism thing, which is why my heaters dont heat the tank anything beyond 80F... I try to keep it between 78-79F.

Now, my patio only sees about 4-5 hours MAX of direct sunlight, and thats only on the first foot of space by the rail where I keep my flower bed... the spot I'd put the "pond" would get only about 2 or 3 hours of sun, and that would be end of the day sun, as my patio faces south with a slight angle to the west.

I would assume there is a fish out there somewhere... I mean fish that live in shallow ponds in this part of texas have to stand it in the summer... although I know they have more outward space, and are probably much larger than what I am brainstorming could hold.

Eh...if I do it, it would just be plants anyways. Then again, why even bother when I have live plants in my other tanks. When if I really want a bird bath, they have the pedestal cement ones at Walmart for $15. LOL

Thanks for the insight.
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