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Old 03-11-2008, 04:17 PM   #161
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Actually it's just a training session with the instructor and her other dogs she uses for training. It is a bit spendy too, really hate doing this, lol. But I think it's needed.

As for the Look At That, there's no real next step. Basically it's getting dogs comfortable with other dogs around, both on leash and off leash. The game is played and you just get closer and closer to the other dogs. And over a period of a few weeks to a few months, your dog should be able to be around other dogs without getting distracted by them. And really helps for fear as well. Instead of a dog going in and looking for the boogeyman, he should be able to just walk in, look around at the other dogs, then be focused on what you want him to do. There is no boogeymen in there. That's probably the easiest explanation, lol. I'll also post some of the other things I learn in the book Control Unleashed. The Look At That (LAT) game is just one of the things it covers, there's many other things as well.

Here's another game you can play as well. It's called The Whiplash game. Here's how it's done, 2 very easy steps....

Step #1, throw a treat away for the dog to eat.
Step #2, call dog's name and click or say 'yes' at first turn of the head.

The click is if you are using a clicker for training, you use it to mark the exact thing you want the dog to do, at that very moment. And if you don't have a clicker, you can use 'yes' as the marker.
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Old 03-15-2008, 10:46 AM   #162
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Well, we won't be getting the Border Collie. She's made the decision to keep her. It was tough on her 7 year old son that they were thinking of rehoming her, as she was the favorite dog. Also, her trainer also told her that the problems with her stocking the goats and killing chickens is just due to her being young and having no training at all, and that it can be trained out of her easily. So she's looking at beginning the training process, and doing herding trials, as there's a place near them that she's already taken her to for an instinct test, and she passed with flying colors. It was a really big decision for her, and I told her to take all the time she needs to think about it and to not feel rushed. So she decided to keep her.
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Old 03-18-2008, 02:19 AM   #163
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We just got back from Seattle tonight, it was actually south of Seattle and about 3.5 hours from my house. Took Betty to a session with a trainer over there who deals with dogs that have issues. Well, it went very well.

We started with taking Betty for a long walk. It was about a half mile down to the end of the road, and we ran part of it. Then we did the same coming back. When we got back, Betty was barely even winded, lol. So, because I didn't have a bike to bring, the trainer took out her secret weapon for tiring a dog out. It was a horse whip, lol. But not no regular horse whip, lol. This one had a plastic garbage bag tied to the end of it, lol. Betty went bonkers over it, lol. It was loud, fast, and Betty wanted it BAD, lol. It took about an hour and 45 minutes to tire her out, lol. And her tank still wasn't empty, but it was low enough to begin training, lol. Now I need to get a similar device for home, lol.

We first took one of the trainers female boxers out. Betty wanted at her. I had the boxer while the trainer had Betty. We were using a short leash with a martingale collar. And whenever Betty would lunge, she would lift up on Betty's head til she calmed down, and we walked more. We got to where they were walking side by side with no issues in about 15-20 minutes. Then it was lunch time, so we came back after lunch again.

After lunch, we worked again with the same boxer, this time I was handling Betty. It went pretty well, didn't have to correct her much. Then we went to the next step, to let the boxer sniff Betty. I had to correct her a couple times, but she calmed right back down, and was ok with the boxer sniffing her back side. Then we went to letting Betty sniff the boxers back side. All went perfect, Betty sniffed, then just layed down with her head turned to the side and tongue hanging out. Once we got to where we were comfortable with them sniffing the back ends, then we went to the mid-body and heads/noses. All went pretty well. Betty snipped once, but after a quick no by the trainer, she was fine. We let them do this sniffing for a while, and pretty soon Betty was good with the boxer.

Then we went to the next level, bringing out her other female boxer, lol. Now this was a challenge. Now to let you know, she uses both boxers whenever she works with dogs with issues, as these boxers could care less. They show no stress, and are completely relaxed. So it all started over again, lol. We went through all the same steps as above, but this time it went faster. We did the sniffing with both boxers as well, and got to the point where Betty was once again comfortable.

The next step was to put Betty on a 6ft leash instead of a 4ft, and since Betty's got a really good sit/down stay, the trainer had me put Betty into a sit, then extend the leash out the 6ft, and the trainer then walked the boxers over the leash. Betty was just fine with it, then when I said Come, she came to me for her reward, hot dogs. We did this several times.

The next step we did was heavy treats. We started feeding all 3 dogs sitting close by each other. Betty did fine. Then, when I was feeding Betty a handful of hot dog bits, one of the boxers decided to join. I almost froze, thinking Betty was going to do something. Well, she didn't, lol. I had Betty and both boxers eating out of my hand, lol. There were a couple times where we saw Betty do a lip curl, and we immediately corrected that with a stern NO. But after a couple minutes, they were all just fine, and Betty seemed much happier and would walk around the boxers and eat out of my hand with the boxers.

After we accomplished all this, then we went to the last stage, the long line. The trainer tied up the 2 boxers to a post and we had Betty on a long line. When we let the line out, we were expecting Betty to charge at the boxers. But Betty did the opposite, just wandered around, then walked up by the boxers and the trainer had me recall Betty. As soon as I said Betty, Come, she immediately turned and ran to me and sat in front of me. I never though that would have happened on the first try, lol. We thought we were going to have to give a little tug on the line to get her attention. But she was completely comfortable. Then we brought out the distraction. The 3rd dog. They had him out in the back yard behind the wire fence. It was a male German Shepherd that loved to bark loudly. Again, we thought we were going to have to correct Betty for running at him, but she slowly walked up near him, and as soon as I said Betty, Come, she came right to me. Even with the GSD making lots of noise, lol.

Overall we had a great time. Betty just needs to get over being so hyperactive and stressed. And I definitely know that this didn't fix her, but it's another piece of the puzzle, another step up the ladder. The trainer has also given me some good tools to work with as well. The only bad thing is that there's not tons of dogs here like there is over there. So being able to work with her is going to be a challenge. But it's not impossible. Let me know what you think. I think it's been a very productive day for the both of us. Still have a ways to go, but we are headed in the right direction. We have the tools she's taught me, as well as all the books I've been reading and DVD's I've been watching.
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Old 03-22-2008, 12:51 AM   #164
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Well, Betty is doing pretty well. We've been working on her Look At That game more. We are in an area where she used to lunge at dogs all the time, but now no longer lunges from this point. We sit along a path at the park about 50ft from the trail. And I keep Betty on a 30ft long-line. I let her just walk around and when other dogs would come up, I would call her, Betty, Come, and she would come to me for her treat, then would sit and watch the dog go by on the trail. At the same time, I would reward her everytime she looked back at me. So all is going well.

Another new development has also come about, more training possibly. A friend has put me in contact with someone who does herding training with both sheep and cattle. We will be taking Betty for an instinct test here in the near future to see if she's got what it takes to begin herding training, or if she'll turn out to be a problem dog. If she passes with flying colors, then we may look at taking her a couple weekends a month and begin training with sheep, then possible cattle later on. Also at the instinct test, the gal that does it also works with more reactive dogs as well. We won't actually have Betty off leash with the sheep, but she will have her in a position to see how strong her commands are, as well as her recall when in with the sheep. Sounds like everything is initially done on a long line to keep her from doing something she's not supposed to, as in an attack. She said it will take about 30-45 minutes to tell where she stands overall. So, I'm looking forward to it. New experience for me as well.
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Old 03-22-2008, 11:40 AM   #165
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great News! It's amazing what progress can be made with a good owner and some training!

Good luck with the herding trial!
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Old 03-24-2008, 11:51 PM   #166
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Well, guess what? We are going to get Betty's herding instinct test done with sheep on Sunday, 3/30/08. This is going to be done at DeltaBluez Stockdogs, ( We are looking forward to this. Here's what they had to say:

If you would like to have Betty tested for instinct on sheep, and start her in herding if she has adequate instinct, I can help you. Instinct testing is basically a controlled introduction to sheep by myself or Diane, with us giving the dog clues as to how to gather the sheep and assessing the dog's willingness to both work with the stock and with the handler. Some dogs are natural herders from day 1, others take a few lessons to warm up. Either way, instinct is usually fairly easy to see even in dogs who are reluctant at first.

New dogs are started in a 60' round pen with well dog broke sheep. Once some basics have been learned, we vary the type of sheep the dogs are asked to work, and when the dogs are ready gradually progress into larger field sizes until they can work in the 20-acre open field. How long this process takes depends on the talent of the dog, the talent and learning ability of the handler, the relationship between dog and handler, and how much time is devoted to training. Herding is definitely a sport that requires a lot of "miles" for both dog and handler! Even the most advanced trial dogs require regular practice to remain in top form.
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Old 03-31-2008, 12:07 AM   #167
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We just got back from Seattle, and had a blast. When I first got there, we had to wait as they had customers that purchased some sheep, and had to load them up. It was fun to watch. Then when it came time to let Betty out, she got loose from me, and I thought, oh, no, there were several other dogs out. She first met this big older white dog, I think some kind of sheep dog maybe, not sure. Betty introduced herself, and they sniffed, and all was ok. Then she went after all the border collies, lol. She sniffed the first, said your ok, went to the next, your ok, went to the next, your ok, lol. Then they started racing around with each other. Then Betty took off after some ducks. I though, oh, no, she's going to get one or 2. But instead, she flanked around them and got them closer to each other. It was then that I was finally able to catch her and put the leash on her.

Once Monique had the sheep in the proper area for the instinct test, she had me come in with Betty, walking in over ankle deep mud in areas, lol. Was great, lol. We got to where the training sheep were and Monique took the leash. At first Betty wanted to go head on with them. Monique did a very good job describing to me exactly what Betty was doing, as she doesn't know yet exactly what to do. But after working with her for 10 minutes on leash, she was able to get Betty to the point where she could let the leash go. A couple times Betty had a good chase going on, but overall, she did very well. And with what I learned in the first day, her instinct level is very good, and she's out of shape, lol. So I'm now going to do some research on a good diet to put her on, as she's been only doing free-feeding. So I need to do some homework there and put her on a healthy diet. And as for the exercise, I think now that it's spring and going into summer, we are going to get plenty of exercise, and I'm also going to take her down for a lot more swimming once it starts warming up as well. The water is still a bit chilly with all the snow runoff. Will wait a couple more weeks and see how it is then. I do see other dogs in the water, but they aren't actually letting them swim after balls yet. Just wading and drinking.

Overall, I had a very good time. I wish I would have got more pics, but I only got 2, which I'll post once I get them downloaded from the camera. It was pics from after the session, with Monique holding the leash with Betty near the sheep. Here in a couple weeks I'm probably going to actually start up her training as well, since it's a long drive I'll probably start with every other weekend and see how it goes, then maybe go into every weekend. Just depends on my bills, etc. I think she'll have a blast doing it, she did very well, and I was very pleased.
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Old 03-31-2008, 06:04 PM   #168
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Here's a couple pics of Monique and Betty after the session......

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Old 03-31-2008, 09:35 PM   #169
I've been reading and watching the post and your dog is awesome!! I wish I could have gotten my husky/lab mix into Search & Rescue when he was a pup but was scared if he did too well I'd have to let him go. I couldn't deal with it after all him and I went though keeping him alive for the first 2 months. Now he's getting to be an old man but we still go out searching for deer, Guinea Hens or cats!!
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Old 03-31-2008, 10:03 PM   #170
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Cool... Our plans are pretty simple for now. Going to do some herding training for a few months, every other weekend. And if she turns out to be good, then I'm going to up it to every weekend, and will register her through the AKC under PAL/ILP, which is for registerable breeds that don't have papers due to ending up in shelters, etc, and papers are lost. This then allows them to enter any of the AKC competitions except for conformation, etc. So I would then be able to take Betty into either a herding competition or Rally, or Agility, etc. I'm also going to get her registered through a cattle dog club as well. And once this is done, may try and go for some titles.
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