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Old 08-20-2013, 12:02 PM   #41
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The rule was stated on the first post in the thread. Lurkers will be made to suffer! Someone *cough* John *cough cough* was doing it, so I felt the need to troll everyone by showing the new plants wrapped in newspaper inside a bag. At least I took them out of the box and took the newspaper the bag was in off. Geez no one gives me any credit! If I had known trolling was lurker kryptonite I probably would have done it sooner. Way to go John! Now when I troll the whole forum, I get to blame you!

I actually took a bunch of pictures for you guys yesterday. Most of which came out blurry it seems after uploading them. No way I can show them with all the photographers on here...some of which are bragging up new cameras (you know who you are!)

So here's just a buce update while I see what is usuable/take some more. Bonus for the multiple posts? Chesh doesn't blame me for stealing her book writing schtick.



After a week I have no killed one buce. I have not lost a single leaf. I have not had one hole appear in a leaf or even any yellowing. You know this part is coming...I should have bought more. I was nervous though, but these plants seem easy. How easy? In addition to keeping them alive all of them have grown a new leaf. The champion though is the gunung sumpit which is growing it's third new leaf since I got it.

More to come in a bit. Remember everyone, blame John for all of my behaviors!
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Old 08-20-2013, 12:33 PM   #42
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So it turns out the 30ish shots that suck were all the ones of individual plants...who would have guessed? If any wants some I will try again later. I have a sinking feeling they will be wanted just as punishment for me showing the baggie.

First the improvements! I think they'll be improvements anyway.



Shelf built of eggcrate and tied together with zip strips. it might look cheesy, but it gets the job done of raising the pots up a few inches.



The new net pots. Three inches so I can fit even more in. They are shorter though, which is why I had to make the shelf. I need to keep the top of the pot wet, but avoid standing water on it since that will cause fungus.



The new coco-tech liners. No more makeshift paper towels on the bottom to hold in soil.



For anyone that couldn't figure out how the two went together...which is no one, which means I'm trolling, so go blame John.
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Old 08-20-2013, 12:52 PM   #43
 
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Oh wow! I've missed a lot! I honestly don't blame you for not getting more right from the get-go. I did the same thing with my CP's. I was worried I would kill them, so I only bought a few. When I didn't kill them, I went back and dropped a c-note. This hobby is almost as expensive as fish...

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I maybe, kinda, sorta, possibly lost your list of easy Nepenthes. Problem might be finding them for sale. I saw info on a couple of naturally occurring N. ampullaria hybrids I'd like to have, but looked all over the net to try and get a rough idea of price. Couldn't find any for sale, but did find people saying they bought them...which helps me not in the least.
Haha I can give you the list again. I can even post it here if you like.

As for finding them for sale, it seems like a lot of hobbyists go in together and get large orders from nurseries that sell these plants. That might be where a lot of them get these plants from. Just keep looking for giveaways. They happen and most of the time are the easy neps.
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Old 08-20-2013, 01:00 PM   #44
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The new plants really aren't that exciting.





The middle row is Cryptocoryne nurii. I keep some in one of my fishtanks and it does very well. These new ones were also grown submerged. Anyone want to place odds on how likely I am to convert them vs killing them? My money is on the killing. They were small enough that I didn't do any trimming before planting. That's the medium size, which makes me glad I didn't buy the small. The paid the normal price for them, which annoys me because I like finding deals. Two days after buying them I found someone selling emersed grown C. nurii 'pahang mutated' for even cheaper and a lot bigger. Grrr. Oh well. Sidenote: The pahang mutated strain was on my wishlist for this build. The reason that seller was so cheaper was because the pink veining disappears when the plant is grown emersed. Scratching them off my list. C. nurii info if anyone cares, or isn't familiar with the species.

The backrow is all Java fern. It's a rarer variety known as threadleaf. The leaves only get about a quarter inch wide. Another sidenote: My research before buying said it only gets three inches long. Obviously not true. Don't believe any random schlub on a forum. The length doesn't bother me though. This time I did get a good deal. I got a whole clump that was about 75% baseball sized. I broke it up some as the original clump wouldn't have even fit into one of the new pots. It was also grown submerged, and I have way more than I expected. If I don't kill it I'm probably going to send some of it off to other people (maybe I should do that before I risk killing it?). Java fern list That's in Russian, so if you're browser doesn't translate for you, good luck.

I was also send some moss that I have to ID yet. I threw it under the eggcrate on the right side. Looks like I found a bonus for the shelving if I can grow moss submerged in there.

All the pots are using a 60/40 peat moss to MGOCPM blend. It was working for the buces and I had some made up so I figured why not. The buces and Java fern have a very thin cap of play sand. No clue if it was a good idea or not. I was worried about fungus and standing water on the substrate. The crypts don't have it because, besides the fact that they are going to die, I'd like to get some sphagnum moss for on top of their's.

The 55 will look somewhat like this, only even more techy. Speaking of techy I'm pretty sure the hydrometer is broke so if anyone has any recommendation let me know. Back to the 55 plans. It will have a shelf like this, but with a side even more raised for terrestrial plants. I will also include a filter to help prevent algae in the water and help distribute any ferts. A terrarium fan and fogger might also be included. The fan almost definitely.
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Old 08-20-2013, 01:54 PM   #45
 
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The pics are great! makes me want to buy more crypts amd rhizome plants...i can't wait for the 55!
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Old 08-20-2013, 03:09 PM   #46
 
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Are you going to put any emmersed anubias in there?

Also... word of caution. I know you wanted some Phal orchids. I just found two of the worst horticulture pests in my phals I got from Lowes. I spent about 2 hours today scrubbing the plants with alcohol. I have both mealys and scale. If you do get one from Lowes, inspect that sucker and repot as soon as you get it! My mealys came in on a plant I didn't repot immediately and I had no clue what scale looked like.
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Old 08-20-2013, 04:30 PM   #47
 
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Ohh no you can't Blame me for your short comings on the pics! LoL not my fault that you put that lurkers will be called out. Once you said that I had to see if it was true! LoL

Besides my lurking skills are no where as good as the Lurking King himself. For those who don't know who that is well I'll give a lil hint. Its the who person started this thread. LoL

Getting back on subject. Cory the plants are looking great and love how you made the shelf. So simple and not too expensive to make. Looks like it is holding the weight as well.
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Old 08-21-2013, 10:07 AM   #48
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Oh wow! I've missed a lot! I honestly don't blame you for not getting more right from the get-go. I did the same thing with my CP's. I was worried I would kill them, so I only bought a few. When I didn't kill them, I went back and dropped a c-note. This hobby is almost as expensive as fish...
I think we're both going to end up spending more than fish. I've heard some of your plans and know some of mine. Averaged out I spent slightly less than $13 for each of the buces I got. That's a lot to spend on a tiny plant, especially one I never had before. So on one hand it makes sense. Hindsight says I should have bought more though lol. A cheap buces is usually around $20, plus you don't often find sellers selling a large variety at once so if I get more I'll have to pay shipping for each. Could end up being double the price with ease.

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Haha I can give you the list again. I can even post it here if you like.

As for finding them for sale, it seems like a lot of hobbyists go in together and get large orders from nurseries that sell these plants. That might be where a lot of them get these plants from. Just keep looking for giveaways. They happen and most of the time are the easy neps.
Yes, please to the list. Even if I fail horrifically I want people to see it and learn from it. Some of this thread could have some worth. I know it won't be the pictures!

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The pics are great! makes me want to buy more crypts amd rhizome plants...i can't wait for the 55!
Do it! Did that work? Should I try reverse psychology? You won't do it! Now I think I might just be sending mixed messages. With the 10 practically filled I might not have any choice but to get to work on setting up that 55.

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Are you going to put any emmersed anubias in there?
I have some anubias, but to my shame I'm not a lover of them. I mean I'll keep them, but they just don't get me super excited.

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Also... word of caution. I know you wanted some Phal orchids. I just found two of the worst horticulture pests in my phals I got from Lowes. I spent about 2 hours today scrubbing the plants with alcohol. I have both mealys and scale. If you do get one from Lowes, inspect that sucker and repot as soon as you get it! My mealys came in on a plant I didn't repot immediately and I had no clue what scale looked like.
I might keep phals. Before any plants the buces and phals had me the most nervous. Now it's just the phals. I'd need the fan for them and that means figuring out when to run it nd for how long. I don't mind experimenting. Experimenting with a $30 flower? That might scare me.
I do plan to keep the 10 gallon set up for a quarantine. No clue how long to QT, btw so if anyone knows, fill me in. I don't know that I'll need them for any plants I convert from submerged, but it would probably be a good idea for emersed and especially terrestrials. I'm already sticking by this plan. I had recently seen a pot of emersed Cryptocoryne elliptica that didn't have any bids, so it would have went cheap. I intentionally turned off the computer when the auction had only a few minutes so I wouldn't be tempted.
Hoping your phals make it. Are you in risk of the mealy bugs and scale spreading to other plants too?

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Ohh no you can't Blame me for your short comings on the pics! LoL not my fault that you put that lurkers will be called out. Once you said that I had to see if it was true! LoL

Besides my lurking skills are no where as good as the Lurking King himself. For those who don't know who that is well I'll give a lil hint. Its the who person started this thread. LoL
I'm shy and selectively post. You on the other hand have 3,749 posts at this time. You have no excuses. I understand having to test out if it would happen, but if you play with the bull (troll) you get the horns.

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Getting back on subject. Cory the plants are looking great and love how you made the shelf. So simple and not too expensive to make. Looks like it is holding the weight as well.
Thinking about giving it another shot? You should! Do it! You won't! Bekah is going to!
There is an evil scheme behind this thread to get people on the forum wanting to get more into plants that involve less water. I am not alone in this.
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Old 08-21-2013, 11:36 AM   #49
 
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Yes, please to the list. Even if I fail horrifically I want people to see it and learn from it. Some of this thread could have some worth. I know it won't be the pictures!
The coveted list of beginner Nepenthes:

N. ventricosa
N. alata
N. x 'miranda'
N. sanguinea
N. deroose alata
N. copelandii
N. tobaica (the one I have)
N. khasiana
N. truncata
N. gracilis
N. rafflesiana
N. maxima
N. albomarginata
N. burkei

This is a list I compiled from looking at multiple different sites. Some plants are only mentioned at one site, whereas others are mentioned almost every single time.

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I might keep phals. Before any plants the buces and phals had me the most nervous. Now it's just the phals. I'd need the fan for them and that means figuring out when to run it and for how long. I don't mind experimenting. Experimenting with a $30 flower? That might scare me.
I do plan to keep the 10 gallon set up for a quarantine. No clue how long to QT, btw so if anyone knows, fill me in. I don't know that I'll need them for any plants I convert from submerged, but it would probably be a good idea for emmersed and especially terrestrials. I'm already sticking by this plan. I had recently seen a pot of emersed Cryptocoryne elliptica that didn't have any bids, so it would have went cheap. I intentionally turned off the computer when the auction had only a few minutes so I wouldn't be tempted.
Hoping your phals make it. Are you in risk of the mealy bugs and scale spreading to other plants too?
I grow my phals as houseplants on an eastern-facing window. I don't think you have that much to worry about. I also got most of them at reduced prices because the plant was still healthy but the flowers had dropped. The most I paid for one was $3. No joke. But these are the generic phal hybrids that are found at most flower stores and garden centers. Maybe you should get one of those to experiment on before you get a purebred species?

All of my plant except one are very strong, and I'm sure will come through the infection and treatment. I'll just baby the weakest one some more. To treat the mealy and scale problem I sprayed the plants with rubbing alcohol. I also repotted the one that I hadn't repotted yet. That is probably where most of my issues came from. So if you get a phal to experiment on, make sure you repot it immediately and destroy the substrate (AHH KILL IT WITH FIRE!).

Thankfully I don't believe my other plants are at risk of infection. My orchids are located upstairs in my room while my other plants are outside on the back deck. I also sprayed down everything I used with my orchids in alcohol. A little overboard, but I don't want my dews infected >:(
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Old 08-21-2013, 01:03 PM   #50
 
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Yeah i definitely need more plants. my previous emersed attempt died, maybe i can try something like this- although I've only got my 3 gallon kritter keeper....maybe i will make something like izzy's mini terrarium. idk. more pictures cory!
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