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Rant: Why ask for help if you're not looking for any?
Old 01-03-2013, 01:21 PM   #61
 
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This is not so much an argument as a statement of fact... of course subject to interpretation.

The whole problem with anything potentially unsafe (even going as far as cars, guns, and ladders, not just animals here) is the owner/user's impressions that it is their right to own/operate whatever in any way that they please and be damned the consequences.

If everyone who ever owned a ________ (insert animal/object here) took a reasonable care and control approach to that responsibility, heck even just took responsibility in the first place, I would be willing to bet that, barring unforeseen accidents, there would be very few injuries and cause for governmentally imposed restrictive measures in the first place.

It has nothing to do with the implicit danger of the item, it has everything to do with the person who should have taken the care, control and responsibility at the outset. Their lack and the almost inevitable results makes it a public matter which becomes everyone's business very quickly. After all, there are fewer owners/operators than there are interested public members who see that their right to safety overrides any right that the owner/operator has to have the ________ in the first place.

This is where it gets nasty... my rights vs your rights and everyone thinks that they are more right than everyone else.

I was bitten on the face by a dog when I was a kid, by a Spaniel of all things. It was my fault, but I was a kid and I was not seriously hurt... luckily. I didn't know better, the dog didn't know better, the owners did.

Jeff.
Jeff, I agree with your assessment. In the US, we have certain issues that I don't think you face in Canada...the gun lobby, the mean dog owners, some of the fringe motorcycle clubs...and that balancing act between one person's safety and another person's rights to indulge in their hobby is causing us a lot of grief. The gun lobby is the strongest, of course, and we are definitely struggling finding our balance in the rights of gun owners versus the potential harm posed by irresponsible gun owners.

The fish rights group actually is a strictly Canadian thing I think. heh heh heh
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Old 01-03-2013, 02:24 PM   #62
 
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I don't even know if it's worth talking to you about what I'm trying to say.
But I have nothing better to do so I suppose I'll just touch on a few points.

One, it's a bit sad that you have to belittle something I feel strongly about. It's upsetting that you just completely disregard what I had to say, because it's about a 'goldfish'. It seems all the animals I care for are 'disposable'.

I've spent over 8 years of my life working with wildlife rehabilitation, and I see what people are capable of. We got baby raccoons come in once, because the mother got killed by a guy who hit her over the head with a 2x4 pipe thinking she had rabies. She didn't. I got a ferret once that had been kept outside in a wire 1'x1' cage. Ferrets should weigh about 5 pounds, he barely weighed one.

Yet I'm sure as you read over this, you rolled your eyes and said 'It's just a flipping raccoon/ferret.' To me, it's not.

If you walked in to a pet store full of dead/dying dogs, I imagine you'd set up a bit of a ruckus. To me, any animal is worth that effort. It doesn't matter if they are sentient or not to me, but rather the fact that they are living animals. They do feel pain, they feel stress. They are alive. And to subject them to such poor conditions, and to not offer proper information about these fish should be considered illegal, and who is that going to hurt? Why would that be a problem? It would weed out poor store owners and repair the ecosystem. (Less people buying fish without info, fish gets too large, fish gets put into river/lake, eats all the food and all the other fish die. For example.)


To say that this cause is less important than another is ridiculous.

To even bring in pitbulls/guns/ whatever is a whole different ballpark that I won't even touch on, because that will just spark something else.

Also, releasing/using goldfish as bait in my state is illegal and subject to fine, because ones released in the wild have destroyed a lot of our ecosystem. Just to put that out there.
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Old 01-03-2013, 02:27 PM   #63
 
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Who's dissing goldfish?
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Old 01-03-2013, 02:27 PM   #64
 
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Oh, and just to comment on aggressive dogs.
I've been around dogs my entire life. The first dog to ever bite me was a chihuahua. The second was a great dane.

Just to put some humor into the situation ;)
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Old 01-03-2013, 02:31 PM   #65
 
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And I think the most frustrating thing is that it is SO easy to properly take care of a fish with the right information. It's just plain laziness and willful ignorance.
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Old 01-03-2013, 02:37 PM   #66
 
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Jentralala, I think it's nice that you have a heart for animals. I just disagree with the idea of getting the government involved, spending taxpayer dollars, something we in the US are desperately short of right now. I let it go on for a long time but it just kept going and going and going...

And when you say, "To say that this cause is less important than another is ridiculous", I kind of get on my foster care soapbox because the foster care system is abysmally underfunded.

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Old 01-03-2013, 02:41 PM   #67
 
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Who's dissing goldfish?
LOL, we love goldfish. It's just that people were getting a little too invested in them, going all establishment on the subject,
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Old 01-03-2013, 02:42 PM   #68
 
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Hahah, I sort of got lost how this thread went from "don't ask for advice if you won't take it" to whatever it has become.
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Old 01-03-2013, 04:46 PM   #69
 
The Moderation portion was meant for Stormfish. He wa getting alittle heated. Discuss away, but remember, there are way to many people out there reading this, please keep it civil.
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Old 01-03-2013, 11:29 PM   #70
 
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Jentralala, I think it's nice that you have a heart for animals. I just disagree with the idea of getting the government involved, spending taxpayer dollars, something we in the US are desperately short of right now. I let it go on for a long time but it just kept going and going and going...

And when you say, "To say that this cause is less important than another is ridiculous", I kind of get on my foster care soapbox because the foster care system is abysmally underfunded.
Most causes ARE underfunded, while tons of taxpayer dollars go to other things that I won't mention because I know that would spark something, I'm not saying for the government to throw trillions of dollars at it. I'm just saying that it should be more recognized and there should be a voice for it, and some sort of regulation. It goes hand in hand with another of my causes, exotic pets. There is just no regulation for these things, and there should be.

I'm not fighting you, or saying that the foster system isn't underfunded. You're right, it is. And many people take it for granted.
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