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Old 12-19-2012, 08:02 PM   #41
 
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jentralala, i do the same thing!! I still spend hours researching fish i have kept for 3 years Boxing day, theres always something new to learn, then you have to expand on that, then you realize you should probably get on with life :P
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Old 01-02-2013, 01:18 AM   #42
 
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Today I was browsing Craigslist looking for any good deals on aquariums/equipment/etc. Came across an ad for a "fully set-up and established ten gallon aquarium for trade". The seller says the tank has been running for four months, they want to trade for a twenty gallon. Would you like to know what is in this tank?

Two Bala Sharks.
Three Iridescent Sharks.
One Dinosaur Bichir.
One Leapord Pleco.

It's people like this that literally make my brain melt.
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Old 01-02-2013, 07:29 AM   #43
 
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Today I was browsing Craigslist looking for any good deals on aquariums/equipment/etc. Came across an ad for a "fully set-up and established ten gallon aquarium for trade". The seller says the tank has been running for four months, they want to trade for a twenty gallon. Would you like to know what is in this tank?

Two Bala Sharks.
Three Iridescent Sharks.
One Dinosaur Bichir.
One Leapord Pleco.

It's people like this that literally make my brain melt.
The fish will deliver the tank to your house and set it up.
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Old 01-02-2013, 03:39 PM   #44
 
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I'm contemplating offering $15 just to get it out of his hands and get the fish to either the pet store or find someone who has a big enough tank. Those Iridescent sharks get over four feet...I've seen babies packed in 10 gallon tanks at the LFS, and there's nothing on the tank indicating that those things get monstrously huge. It's like a perpetuating cycle of irresponsibility.
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Old 01-02-2013, 03:50 PM   #45
 
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Sad, truly sad isn't it? Most Monster fish tanks are so over crowded anyway. Why would he think that someone would down size to a 10 and swap their 20... the whole thing makes no sense to me.
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Old 01-02-2013, 03:52 PM   #46
 
Oh, I can so empathize with the frustration! I also research the heck out of everything. Fish, plants, driftwood, etc. There are times where I don't get the information I could use in my decisions until I come onto this forum though. Perfect example, not knowing that Corydora prefer sand over gravel. Now I know!

People almost never take my advice in real life, either. E.g., a friend of mine has a 10 gallon tank with several Goldfish, Rasbora and Tetra. *sigh* I have no idea how any of them managed to survive so long.
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Old 01-03-2013, 12:05 AM   #47
 
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I know how that feels Stormfish. And I don't want to be rude or make my friend mad, but sometimes it's just like, really? I constantly recommend this site to people, so they can hopefully try to understand at least rudimentary basics on fish care. Ignorance is no excuse when it takes literally ten seconds to research the care of a specific fish. It's just horrible.

I got in contact with the guy, and of course he was wall self righteous about it. He claims he bought the tank not knowing it had fish, and has been trying to sell the fish. He also says they're all juveniles and they get along fine and "obviously aren't all angry and depressed like SOME people".

Jakiebabie - I can never decide if I want to cry or scream. I'm seriously considering looking in to some sort of government interference. This sort of thing is intolerable with dogs, cats, and most other pets (rats, mice, and hamsters are also often subject to poor conditions, but they have been getting a lot more sympathy lately), but people just look the other way when it's fish. I know that there was a city that finally banned the selling of pet fish, but I can't remember which one. I wouldn't go that far, but I wish that pet stores were regulated and forced to have more information available.

I walked in to an LFS the other day and each tank had about 5 dead fish, plus severe over crowding. All the goldfish were diseased and half dead. I think it's disgusting that these people aren't shut down, and that no one is regulating their shop, or giving them fines, or something.
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Old 01-03-2013, 08:03 AM   #48
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... I'm seriously considering looking in to some sort of government interference. This sort of thing is intolerable with dogs, cats, and most other pets (rats, mice, and hamsters are also often subject to poor conditions, but they have been getting a lot more sympathy lately), but people just look the other way when it's fish. I know that there was a city that finally banned the selling of pet fish, but I can't remember which one. I wouldn't go that far, but I wish that pet stores were regulated and forced to have more information available.
While there are many many breeds of dogs and cats they all have four legs and have, more or less, similar care requirements. They all eat similar foods, it's pretty obvious when they are stressed, malnourished or neglected.

Fish, on the other hand, while they are obviously all fish have vastly greater variations in care in everything from water temperature, food, water parameters... and good luck in many cases telling a stressed fish from a "happy" fish.

A ban on fish selling is a more likely government response as there is no way they will hire and train fish inspectors. They did that with turtles up here for a while. Fears of salmonella which are easily enough alleviated with just proper turtle care... it was just easier to say "stop selling turtles and the trouble is non-existent".

For something like this, some sort of voluntary self regulation is better... and consumer education of course but, they're fish... unlike dogs and cats, they are considered food by more people than pets.

A local Pet-Valu started selling fish recently. They have the fish book beside the fish display so you can look up all the pertinent information. I don't much care for the conditions they keep the fish in so I won't buy from them which is my way of helping them with their self regulation... they don't make money, they stop selling fish. Sort of too bad as they are 10 minutes from home, the next closest is 45 minutes or more.

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Old 01-03-2013, 08:34 AM   #49
 
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I know how that feels Stormfish. And I don't want to be rude or make my friend mad, but sometimes it's just like, really? I constantly recommend this site to people, so they can hopefully try to understand at least rudimentary basics on fish care.
I just recommended this forum the other day. I doubt the woman I recommended it to will bother though. She just bought a tank because "[she] doesn't have time for a real pet." Good grief! Then she started getting terrible advice from people. My favourite "Don't feed your fish every day. It will kill them." Seriously?! I told her she needs to research every fish she is interested in keeping for water requirements, compatibility, minimum tank size, etc. I also forwarded her a detailed description on cycling. Think she will read and follow any of it? I doubt it.

My biggest pet peeve is how people refuse to see fish as sentient beings. They're just disposable, and so many treat them as such.
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Old 01-03-2013, 08:46 AM   #50
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...My biggest pet peeve is how people refuse to see fish as sentient beings....
Hmmm... please define your idea of sentient as it pertains to fish... I'm extremely curious.

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