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Carsten just had a MAJOR MAJOR seizure, I am freaking.
Old 02-08-2012, 02:39 PM   #1
 
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Carsten just had a MAJOR MAJOR seizure, I am freaking.

I am home today on a day off, doing some cleaning, fooling on the computer. Carsten was just laying here on his dog bed next to me when he suddenly sat up. I looked at him and he was making a funny face as though someone had bopped him in the face. He was shrinking his whole face back and started to back up but was in a corner. I said "Whats up Carsten?" and then he started to foam at the mouth, eyes rolled back in his head, he tried to move toward me but fell to the ground shaking like crazy. The whole thing probably lasted 3 minutes but I am freaked. I was right by the phone and have my vets number memorized so I had him on the phone right away. I managed to stay real calm for Carsten but inside all the terrible things going through my head.

When he started coming out of it, Oliver was looking on from about 5 feet away, wondering what in the world was going on. Carsten started snarling and lunged toward Oliver. I jumped back and pushed Oliver and Eleanor out of the room and put the gate up. Carsten was wild eyed and obviously terrified. I kept talking to him while he snarled. I just sat down on the floor near him and kept my eyes down. I was talking to the vet the whole time. THAT made me most scared. Not that he was snarling as I KNOW that he was temporarily unsettled by the seizure but fear that my wonderful boy could have a personality change. This dog is so attached to me and so tolerant of anything anyone dishes out to him. I need to know why this happened. The vet wants me to wait an hour or so before bringing him in so that the stress of moving him doesn't set him off again. Waiting sucks!

Please, all dog lovers say prayers for my boy Carsten right now. I need him back perfectly alright. Please.
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Old 02-08-2012, 03:26 PM   #2
 
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Hi Inga! I feel your pain and have been there before!! I had a Cocker Spaniel with Epilepse for at least 10 years. Idiopathic or Unknown cause.
We put him on meds to try to control the seisures. Just keep him away from stairs and couches, tables etc anything he could get himself stuck under or hurt by.
I'm in chat in you want to talk.
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Old 02-09-2012, 04:40 AM   #3
 
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That must have been just awful to watch :( Sending good wishes to you and Carsten.

Keep us posted on his progress.
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Old 02-09-2012, 07:56 AM   #4
 
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Well it was the night from hell. I went to bed around 9:00. At 9:30 I woke up to Carsten having another major seizure in the bathroom. I ran in there and he tried to get up but fell forward into the bathtub, he flopped back out of the bathtub and fell on his side for another major bout of spasms and jaw straining. I rushed him into the ER and they gave him a loading dose of Kepra (a shot) and sent me home with Phenobarb. We didn't sleep at all last night. He has to have meds every 4 hours and I am exhausted. I carried the kennel up from the basement (he hasn't been kenneled in years) He screamed bloody murder for an hour but I had to have him in the living room because my room was too warm. Doctor said that dogs can die from these seizures because their body temp climbs to high. It has been the night from hell for sure.

My boy is the sweetest dog in the world, he is a registered therapy dog, plays with kids, other dogs, even as small as 4 pounds without issue. He is so different right now, I miss him and he is right here next to me... but it isn't him. It is a dogs body but not my boy. :( I am bawling.
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Old 02-09-2012, 08:08 AM   #5
 
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Oh, sweetheart! I know how emotionally grueling this can be. I feel for you!

Just be sure to keep you and your family safe. Its not uncommon for dogs to have personality changes after seizure activity. Just know its because his little brain is fizzed out, electrical impulses going haywire, and NOT because he's a bad dog. When he wakes up and is aggressive in the post-ictal period, he doesn't recognize you or your family. Just know that he would never act that way towards you if he recognzied you!

How old is he?

Did the vet explain to you that Carsten would have to have a good number of seizures grouped closely together (cluster seizures) or a very long seizure (>15 min) or be having seizures in a very hot environment (outside in the sun on a hot summer day) to get his temp to a point to be dangerous? Certainly you should be aware of the possibility of hyperthermia due to seizure activity, but its not a typical outcome of sporadic seizures.

Did the vet give you guidelines as to when he should be seen again?
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Old 02-09-2012, 09:24 AM   #6
 
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Oh, sweetheart! I know how emotionally grueling this can be. I feel for you!

Just be sure to keep you and your family safe. Its not uncommon for dogs to have personality changes after seizure activity. Just know its because his little brain is fizzed out, electrical impulses going haywire, and NOT because he's a bad dog. When he wakes up and is aggressive in the post-ictal period, he doesn't recognize you or your family. Just know that he would never act that way towards you if he recognzied you!

How old is he?

Did the vet explain to you that Carsten would have to have a good number of seizures grouped closely together (cluster seizures) or a very long seizure (>15 min) or be having seizures in a very hot environment (outside in the sun on a hot summer day) to get his temp to a point to be dangerous? Certainly you should be aware of the possibility of hyperthermia due to seizure activity, but its not a typical outcome of sporadic seizures.

Did the vet give you guidelines as to when he should be seen again?
Yes, I know it wasn't "him" that was acting aggressively. He is such a kind hearted soul which makes this all the more difficult to deal with. Today I am taking him in for the 3rd time to do a "lead exposure" rule out. I was reading about causes and one of them was lead exposure. I have an old house with peeling lead paint. I don't want to miss anything if I can help it. His CBC and CMP came back normal, which I guess is good but doesn't help me with an answer. I know in things like this, there isn't always a definitive reason but that is the worst of it. How can you prevent what you don't even know?

Carsten is only 4 1/2 years old. Not old enough to say goodbye. Not to mention again, he is the BEST dog. I love him so much and so do all the people he has done therapy work with. He needs to be better. I am just so scared so I am rambling, sorry.
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Old 02-09-2012, 01:00 PM   #7
 
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Well we are right here with you supporting you! Please keep us posted when you can!
Brandy had many seisures over the years. I learned to run to him, move him to an open area quickly because the straining and paddling would take him to places that could hurt him, (corners and spaces under furniture). I also ran to get paper towel and cleaner as his final stage involved loosing control of bladder and bowels. He was totally unaware of any of it but would eventually come out of it and wag his tail as if to say Hi mom!
Just keep him safe and cleaned up and give him lots of love while you sort out his new meds.
Sending you huge hugs!!
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Old 02-09-2012, 01:35 PM   #8
 
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I'm so glad to hear he's only 4.5 years old!!! And this is why I'm glad your dog is younger- In elderly dogs who have a first time seizure, its usually due to a brain tumor. But in a young dog like yours, the odds are that his prognosis is much brighter!

One of the things you can be doing now is keeping a "seizure log". Have a notebook in your house that all family members can access. Have columns marked for date, start time, end time, length of post-ictal period, and any misc notes (such as "seizure started with facial twitching, and progressed from there" or "facial twitching [focal seizure] only"). This way, when you do rechecks with your vet or get blood phenobarb levels tested, you'll have a physical log of his episodes rather than saying "Well, let me see, it seems like maybe he's been getting better, but I'm not sure...". Also, you may begin to see patterns, such as having seizures after guests arrive, or right before his meds are due, or when storms roll in, etc. When any seizure activity occurs (focal seizure, full tonic/clonic [grand mal] seizure, absence seizure, etc), the first thing you should do is look at your watch and note the time. Then move objects out of the dog's way. If you can't move objects out of his way, then the second choice is to move him out of the way of objects. Do this my taking his rear legs and dragging him gently (as long as he doesn't have any hip or leg problems). Do not go near his head!

Many dogs are well controlled on meds, once the correct dosage is found. I know this is scary now, and I'm sorry for that! But the good news is that the odds are in your favor that this is something that can be handled. So try to take a deep breath. And we're here for you!



P.S. I don't mean to infer that I'm a veterinarian. I'm not! And even if I were, I could not diagnose or treat your animal online. I work in an emergency facility. This is what I often tell clients in your shoes. I believe the info I've given is broad and innocuous. But of course, if anything I say conflicts with information from your vet, certainly listen to them first!
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Old 02-09-2012, 03:13 PM   #9
 
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Im so sorry to hear this and that you are goin thru this.. I had my baby go thru this and unfortuanly they were unable to find out the cause.. i cryed today reading your post cuz ive been there too.. but mine is gone. I lost himabout 5 yrs ago now and he was only 5 years old. They came out of no where and it made me sick to watch and not be able to really help him.Good luck sweetheart with your special boy there and may our prayers comfort you while you endure this nightmare.:(
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Old 02-09-2012, 03:34 PM   #10
 
So sorry to hear about your boy! I went through this years ago with one of my dogs. Seizures presented at 31/2yrs of age. Turned out to be his thyroid! Sometimes thyroid disorders (hypo/hyper) can cause seizures. Epilepsy usually presents way before 41/2 yrs old. I would definatelly have a full thyroid panel done on him. Make sure you ask for a COMPLETE panel. If you don't specify this they''l usually just do a T-4 test which really doesn't tell you anything. The complete panel tests T3, T4, Free T3, Free T4 and an antibody test.

If that comes back normal and he tests clean for toxins/poisons I would look into getting a CAT Scan to rule out a brain tumor. Keep us updated. Thinking of you!
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