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To use the nursery or not...HELP?
Old 04-17-2013, 04:57 PM   #41
 
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Tory, fortunately I already had a 20 gallon high set up, so I used some of the used filter media to put in the new tank's filter. A good sized chunk will do, or several small chunks. That helps tremendously in the amount of time it takes to cycle. I also used some of the gravel from the 20 gallon, and even siphoned up some "gunk" from the gravel. My 55 was cycled in about 7-10 days! Normally it would have taken many weeks. I wouldn't want to cycle a 55 from scratch! It was hard enough with the 20 gallon. It seemed to take FOREVER, but I had no beneficial bacteria (like used filter media) to get a headstart.

I have both ghost shrimp and cherry shrimp, but they have a very small bio-load (they don't poop much) so I wouldn't use them for cycling. An algae eater does have a BIG bio-load, so that might be an idea. But I think you'd need more than one fish. A lot of people do fishless cycling, but I did my initial tank fish-in, with bettas. I had to watch my water parameters like a hawk though, to be sure the ammonia didn't get too high, or the nitrites or nitrates (later on). I did water changes whenever the numbers started to creep up. If you can get used filter media though, that'll help you so much.

Just remember, water changes are your friend. In the beginning, you might have to do partial water changes every 2-3 days until your tank starts cycling. And don't forget the Prime! Any more questions, please ask!
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Old 04-17-2013, 07:12 PM   #42
 
So basically the quickest way to do this would be to transfer some of the rocks/plants/filter junk to the 55 gallon along with the Algae Eater? That sounds easy enough. Now that I understand cycling I wont be as clumsy with the water parameters either. I was looking into Loaches as well. I heard they do good in big tanks so I think a couple of those and the Algae Eater plus the added stuff from the 10 gallon should get things started pretty fast. Hopefully anyway. Then I think Ill just stick with guppies theyre easy enough and what I started with. Just curious though. You said you have Bettas? My male is in a 1 gallon by himself and was thinking about getting a female for him. Would I have to get a bigger tank? How well would he respond to another fish? I just feel loke he gets lonely in there all by himself but then again it may just be me humanizing my fish too much. I do that sometimes lol :)
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Old 04-17-2013, 08:01 PM   #43
 
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I would say, if she's getting pretty big that it might be easier for her if you just move her to the 1 gallon now. Although, I know I have a 2.5 gallon that my fish just don't seem to like. They get in there and just stop really eating.
As for the betta, DO NOT put another betta in his tank. Even if you get a bigger tank they will most likely kill each other. There are some instances where in a really large tank 2 or more male bettas can live in unstable harmony. Now, you could get a female and put the tank next to his or get a bigger tank a split it.
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Old 04-17-2013, 09:58 PM   #44
 
I was just thinking hed be happy with a girlfriend but I know bettas are very aggressive so...just a simple inquiry. Maybe I should move her now shes big but not super round or anything. Id rather not have to chase a bunch of tiny little babies around my 10 gallon. A bunch of them went straight into the gravel we were looking for them for over 4 hours. Ridiculous. Since she is so big what number should i estimate to see? My smallest female had 12. So she should have like 20? Or more? Whats average? Im still not sure. And is it really ok to let brothers and sisters breed? I read that its called "line breeding". How does that not cause crazy defects?
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Old 04-18-2013, 06:36 AM   #45
 
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Yeah it would probably be easier to move her now. It definitely is a bit of a pain trying to catch them. I can't really say how many you should expect because its dependent upon so many different factors (like genetics, how much food is available, water temp, among other things.) it's different for each fish as well. Guppies have been known to have anywhere between like 2-100 babies (although I have heard of some guppies having almost 200 babies.) I would prepare for around 30 but you might get more you might get less.
It is called line breeding. I'm not sure how exactly it doesn't cause defects but, fish are a bit different than people. It doesn't start causing defects after a few generations of line breeding without adding new genetics in to keep them healthy.
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Old 04-18-2013, 07:02 PM   #46
 
I guess that makes sense. Fish are definitely not anywhere close to humans genetic wise so...I moved her to the 1 gallon today but my small filter for it gave out I have to pick up a new one tomorrow. I use thos 1-3i whisper filters? Pretty good so far but I guess the little motor gave out it was whining and making strange noises and then boom it was dead lol Ive got my aerator bubble in there for now she should be ok overnight right? Or should I just move her back to the big tank until then? She does seem pretty content where she is but I want to be sure.
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Old 04-18-2013, 07:06 PM   #47
 
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They don't need a filter or a aerator, but they sure like it. If you have just an aerator she should be good for a few days. It's good that she seems happy. That will make it a lot easier. That way you can just leave her in there until she has her babies.
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Old 04-18-2013, 07:26 PM   #48
 
Hopefully that wont be too long. Ill get better at this I swear but like I said I just cant tell at this point. I see little black eyes in her belly but theres still orange in places. I dont know how to gauge time with that. She could have them tomorrow. She could go another 3 weeks without having them. Just not sure. And I hope to goodness she doesnt have like 100 babies. 12 was good. 20 sure. 30 ok. 100? WHAT? Thats so insane I cant imagine having that many fish all at one time OMG. Id panic. lol
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Old 04-18-2013, 09:19 PM   #49
 
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Just now saw the added replies. If I may make a suggestion--please get your betta a bigger tank! 1 gallon is too small for ANYTHING except maybe a few cherry shrimp or a snail. I don't even put my fish in a one gallon if they're sick. Bettas are happiest in 10 gallons or more. My boy has a 20 gallon high all to himself. Well, he does have his Kulhi Loaches, otos and shrimp. Never put a male betta in with anything that you don't want killed. Especially a female betta! The females can live together if the tank is big enough, the males absolutely cannot. Get your betta a minimum of a 5 gallon tank. I think Petsmart is having their $1 a gallon sale right now. You'd have to get a filter and heater, but you could get him a tank five times bigger for only $5! Believe me, my male uses his whole tank.
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Old 04-18-2013, 10:02 PM   #50
 
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Yeah I totally get it. I get maybe 4 babies a month at the moment (I need to put more coverage higher up in the tank) I don't know what I'd do with too many more.
As for the betta, a 1 gallon is a bit small, but the main concern there isn't so much space as it is that you are able to heat it and you keep up on water changes. (I believe a 1 gallon requires about 2 100% water changes per week and 1 50%.) smaller tanks are harder to heat and require many more water changes to keep the fish happy and healthy. I generally think that a 2.5 gallon is a good minimum tank size. If you do end up getting a new tank, keep in mind that you could get fewer gallons and have a happier betta if you got a tank with a wider are to swim. Bettas really like horizontal space and don't care as much for vertical space
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